Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by t0xeus, Feb 12, 2020.
Considering this, no:
No reason to think the mental activation of FTG is slower than that, far too many feats of it being faster.
Unfortunately he hadn't touched Minato yet.
Even against KCM Naruto and co. Obito repeats the same thing, if he touch, he wins. I absolutely do not believe in false tension since Kishimoto then always made sure that Obito misses the contact with extreme accuracy.
No, he was already physically reacting to an attack faster than Rikudo amped self Kamui. Absorbing someone else is even slower according to Konan. So it’s slower even with the Rikudo chakra, even slower without the Rikudo chakra, and even slower because he’s trying to warp Minato instead of himself. In short, it’s several planes below Minato’s speed.
I can’t always be right
This scene actually confuses me because Minato was shown teleporting after the activation of Kamui . We know Obito can’t increase the speed of which he warps targets and Minato on panel already beat that speed. So from a feats first point of view it makes zero sense, especially considering FTG has shown to take almost no time to activate ( , ).
If we go by Authorial intent then apparently Obito was going to beat Minato at the first touch by both of their admissions ( , ). But we also know that some characters could be overating their abilities or assuming something would work when it didn’t in real canon. Like Ay assuming he was going to get the jump on Minato .
Idk I’m torn on this matter personally. Authorial intent pushes the notion that Minato would have been toast if Obito has grabbed him in that last exchange but Kishi directly showed that wasn’t the case. So idk tbh
Two characters opinions don’t really dictate the intent of the author.
The artist’s illustrations in the comic book dictate the intent of the artist.
Look up his name. You’ll find “Japanese Manga ARTIST” on first search.
- the tension that the fight was supposed to portray was fake and Obito's confidence was misplaced;
- it's a plot hole and Kamui's absorption speed is inconsistent/as fast as the plot needs it to be.
There is no evidence to decide which is the correct interpretation, but i personally prefer the first one (for NBD debating purposes anyway, otherwise i feel the second is more likely since i don't think Kishi ever gave a damn about power/abilities' consistency).
Why should Rikudo-amped self-Kamui be faster than standard touch+Kamui on someone else?
Actually there is since he outsped Kamui on panel three times.
Are you implying Kakashi’s Kamui on Perfect Kaguya’s Portal Entry Ash Bone was standard Kamui speed?
I am not saying Rikudo doesn't amp Kamui.
I am asking what is there that makes you think the amp makes up for the abysmal difference in the execution speed of self-kamui and touch-kamui that there is.
Second time was when he used FTG before Obito used Kamui. So that doesn't count in terms of Kamui vs FTG mid-warp.
What's the third time?
Because Kakashi warped one of the fastest techniques in the manga as it appeared out of thin air before it moved half a foot...
Yeah because Rikudo chakra amped his reaction speed too.
No, you didn’t read the WA. I posted scans of his third instance in outspeeding Kamui.
The second time is when he threw a kunai 30m, entered SM, created a Rasengan, teleported and got demolished in CQC before Kakashi’s Kamui portal could open on Obito.
Yes, it’s shown nigh instantaneous here:
Dude reactions have nothing to do with the technique’s completion speed.
Rikudo Kamui warped an ash bone that was peering out of an underworld slope portal that Kakashi had no idea was coming before it could move a foot.
Yeah that still is not as impressive as the speed at which non-amped touch+kamui is implied to be executed at, where it is danger to Minato if he doesn't react pre-warp.
The point was whoever struck first would win.
The narrative isn't going to sabotage itself.
Yes it is.
Those bones fired in plain view by a weaker version of Kaguya were sniping RSM clones from long range.
Comparatively a Perfect Kaguya ash bone suddenly and surprisingly appearing out of a portal and being deleted before it moves a foot is an all-manga speed feature for Kamui and BY FAR it’s best feature.
Yes. Minato would have been caught off guard.
I hate discussing late-stage WA feats
Didn't Kakashi and Obito outrun the bones in the gravity dimension? Where and why do you draw the line of taking Kaguya-fight feats seriously?
Sometimes the author isn’t a good enough writer to illustrate his intention. Hence statements are used in place to solidify any doubt. This is actually the reason outliers and inconsistencies exist; Via fault of the own author.
Unless there’s a reason to suspect the character is lying or providing shady information, there’s a subjective amount of hyperbole attached to the statement, or a retcon is at effect; I take the character statement at face value. Ay being the fastest shinobi before KCM Naruto popped up, for instance, is the Author pushing the notion not just Ay.
His name is Kishi, I know that lmao.
No when we have a front row seat to the entire exchange between the techniques we see what the artist’s intentions are.
Minato outsped Kamui, he did it again twice in the war-arc through the artist’s pencil.
This is his intention in his comic.
Probably yes. Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense that Minato tried to avoid contact at all costs.
Yes still in that situation. You know why? Because your interpretation of feats is probably more subjective than your interpretation of statements.
Hence kishi adding those statements to keep the reader on track. He’s literally telling you what’s happening I don’t see how you could ignore that. There’s literally inconsistencies in both feats and stratements across the manga. That’s why I’m stuck in this situation, I don’t know if I want to believe the statement or the feat. Both hold merit in my opinion.
Yes, that was the whole point of the dialogue both had to themselves.
Feats are comically inconsistent all throughout the manga and so are some statements.
It's just a manga not blueprints.
Edit: One might even ask what's the point of warping a guy who can teleport and be reverse summoned.