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I’m okay with Broly.

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Toxic Saiyan, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. Toxic Saiyan Once More... with vengeance

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    While I would personally prefer a more creative take. I’m not going to personally demerit the movie just because it uses past concepts of ideas. Especially in Broly’s case where he has had massive story potential that was wasted in bad backstory and execution in movies. I’m going to wait and see how they pull this off as “cautiously optimistic” as I am now.

    It all depends on the purpose of the story and what the creators are going for in a story. Akira and Toei are “playing it safe” in a sense, does that make the content bad? No. It’s purely subjective if you want them to play it safe.

    They re-used Freeza all four times. And guess what? I look into the purpose and execution of those comebacks and I liked all of them and how they were executed, especially when he came back for the ToP, that was masterful writing.

    There’s a reason people prefer “Good execution, bad idea” over “Good idea, bad execution.” Ideas, complexity, and creativity mean absolutely nothing if you don’t have the passion and skill to back them up.

    I myself am guilty of this as well. With my last thread, I needed to convey my thoughts and opinions more professionally and objectively

    If you don’t like the direction Dragonball is going and consider this a “low” that really isn’t objective and fair to it, especially since this is a reboot. Maybe modern Dragonball just isn’t your cup of tea.

    Everyone can create something or present a new/good idea eventually.

    But creativity is worth nothing at least without a purpose and execution.

    And by the way stop saying Toriyama “does not care about Dragonball.” Or that he is a lazy designer/writer just because he takes a more simple and less complex approach to the modern stories. If he truly didn’t care about Dragonball he doesn’t have to be here, in an interview on BOG his editor came back to recommend and show him the new designs for BOG and the storyline and he just got back to work then and there.

    If you preferred a more complex story or more creative idea that’s purely subjective, not a fault of the story nor the creator
     
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  2. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    Now post this on kanzenshuu and watch the nerds jump your ass
     
  3. Jizznificent Your unborn bro

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    it would be like a scene out of world war z. :wow
     
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  5. Yin Yin Within Yin God, #Boosette / SC Meme-Let The Creativity Flow

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    I was expecting trash talk about Kale but ya decided to stay clear from that path somehow eehee.

    :wolfie
     
  6. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry we'll make a thread about that sometime next week
     
  7. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Real shit those assholes are seething with anal devastation right now
     
  8. Toxic Saiyan Once More... with vengeance

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    Eh, she could have been written better, but this is more focused on the “Broly is such a unoriginal idea, Toei/Toriyama are hacks hurr durr, rabble rabble rabble...”

    And this bullshit idea of “new, complex, and shiny” is innately better when you should judge something on what it’s trying to do and if it works well/accomplishes it in an interesting way.
     
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    I’ve noticed that many people who hate Broly are the same people who like Jiren. And that is a bit of a contradiction to me; to dislike a character for an allegedly poor backstory while liking another character with an even worse backstory.
     
  10. Yin Yin Within Yin God, #Boosette / SC Meme-Let The Creativity Flow

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    Toriyama's pockets gunna be way loaded up on nostalgia fans selling out the movie, even his unborn grandsons will be set for retirement.

    Why didn't I think of this sooner.
     
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    I can see the hypocrisy yes, and really I hated both their backstories as far as their execution and how they were setup. Interestingly enough they both are bad in different ways.

    1.) Jiren’s backstory is incredibly rushed and only presented key moments in the backstory making it incredibly generic, one-note, and lacking in content, they should’ve gave it an episode or two as an omniscient, short backstory, or from Jiren’s perspective not Belmod’s for god sake...

    As far as how they used the backstory to service his character and how he develops, yes that was ok, that I will give to Jiren.

    Broly: suffers a similar problem of it being way too rushed, it’s incredibly petty and lacks coherency to how fucking batshit insane he is and how he hates Kakarot, it’s incredibly petty and undercuts what could’ve been a legendary (no pun intended) movie villain.
     
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    Bullshit and The fuck you on both are hated by those retards
    Hell people praise Kale development despite it being poorly done
     
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    Jiren's backstory is merely boring. Broly's is straight up retarded.

    You still can kinda respect a guy motivated by loss. But how can you take "I hate you because you cried near me" seriously?
     
  14. Toxic Saiyan Once More... with vengeance

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    Basically this.
     
  15. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Agreed
     
  16. jayjay³² Drug Addict

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    No, no, Jiren’s backstory is pretty bad. Check out the 50 threads we made about it back in March. Or rewatch the last 2 episodes.
     
  17. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    Broly is cool. His original movies are just alright though
     
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    Still better than "I hate you because you cried near me when I was a baby".
     
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    Exaggeration 4-5 at best
    It really wasn't it was just poorly executed
    His backstory wasn't different than any other character in fiction his however was poorly done
    the last 2 episodes is where everybody agreed his character became decent
     
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    Uh, that is not his backstory, that’s just why he hates Goku.

    I’m not debating this. Jiren’s backstory was absolute rubbish to me and many others.
     
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    Agreed. It just lacked flavor and was too quick, if they showed Jiren’s friends, his relationships and showed more of what he was like pre-tragedy it would’ve been made it’s own instead of making it it’s own. Toriyama’s idea wasn’t bad, the director and the script was poorly constructed.
     
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    Not pretending it was great m8 toei fucked up on the execution it's a miracle the last two episodes saved his ass
    I don't hate broly I've been laughing at retards asshurts about him
    Movie 8 broly was fine it was afterwards his character went to shit
     
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    Thank you people don't get it it not his backstory that was terrible it wasn't it was how it was executed that made it terrible
     
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    @Toxic Saiyan u saw how manga kale was handle in comparison to anime kale that example of good execution Vs Bad execution.
     
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    Yeah, yeah, the king wanted him dead, whatever.

    In the end of the day, that's not what the story and the character were focused on.

    "KAKAROT!! :conspiracy"
     
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    I actually kinda like Broly. The idea behind his past and character is so stupid and poor that it's good. You can tell they didn't give a shit with broly, but just wanted him to be fun.

    I love me a good "SMASH!" character. :kermit
     
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    more or less. While they make the manga Kale more badass, competent, and less flawed I cannot really say at the moments if it’s too bad if they are going for an extremely flawed character that develops into something the fans eventually grow to love.

    The bad execution was in how unsubtle and blatant they were with Kale and her flaws...

    They were screaming “OH LOOK HOW CUTE AND SHY THIS FUCKING NEW SAIYAN GIRL IS, LOOK AT HER BE BROLY, LOOK AT HER
     
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    Not to mention her obsessive nature with caulifla they never gave a reason as to why she was like that unlike the manga
     
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    That could change in the future if they decide to expand on her but yes.
     
  30. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Maybe but that depends on if and when we get a new series and if there willing to focus on others outside of goku and vegeta
     
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