Well, I just read the manga over and over on the chapter of post skip... And I came to see that Naruto's training with Jiraiya were realy bad... I mean besides improving the Rasengan into a gr8 ball Rasengan(which Naruto barely controls..so far for not a perfacet training)...he didnt realy improve so much. lets see the how SOME(NOT ALL)other's improved after time skip: =================================================== Neji- improved on hes Byakugan which allows him to almost instantly locate four small tokens scattered across a mile radius in a woodland area. Also the range of his Byakugan can increase the radius to over 800 meters. Sakura-chan- improved substantially in the form of medical jutsu and the use of chakra to create immense physical strength. Sasuke- far better sharingan, can see through and enter one's eyes...Chidori Nagashi, and can use it with his new Kusanagi sword...he fast, and kicked all team 7...and greatly improved in a Jutsu that could have killed all team 7. Now I KNOW NARUTO IS BETTER THAN MOST NINJA AT HES AGE I KNOW THAT..BUT IMPROVED??WE NOT EVEN AS CLOSE AS SOME OF THE ABOVE. WHAT CAN NARUTO DO: ==================== A. Barely control a better Rasengan. B. A little better hand to hand combat, and new wepons. C. Jiraiya made him learn how to escape a genjutsu right??well Naruto didnt was is UNABLE to escape one, when Itachi used...we see a flashback of Naruto's training with Jiraiya...but not realy working is it?? and when it came time to prove it, all we saw was a big splash lose again to Sasuke, and a save by the bell by Kakashi's Mangekyo Sharingan to win against Deidara. So, was the training realy good....???? Naruto isnt stupid, he learns things faster than any one else...for example: A. Rasengan in 1 week. B. Kakashi States Naruto is doing realy fast with the "spaciel training"...faster than he hoped(even if Naruto uses clones). I know theres a spaciel Jutsu bla bla...Naruto knows...so what???so does Sasuka... many have greatly improved while Naruto is well...not much improved.... I THINK Kakashi IS FAR BETTER TEACHER than Jiraiya... Im surprised....Jiraiya is the master of the 4th....and is a far skilled Ninja than Kakashi. Yet it is Kakashi's Training that will actully improve Naruto... So in other words...two years of almost nothig OOOO dont get me wrong the demon fox is more powefull but than again Its not Naruto....its the demon fox who is strong. so after youve seen my LONG(sorry) lowdown... what do you thin?? WAS JIRAIYA A REALY GOOD MASTER TO NARUTO??