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Is Oda avoiding

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Dellinger, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. Dellinger Charismatic Awesome

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    having Luffy face off against the rest of the worst gen ? His bounty and feats are just on another level
     
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  2. gold ace Well-Known Member

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    Na. Bounty means nothing, and we don't have any feats from the others besides Urouge, to say Luffy is on another level. And it is clear that Luffy isn't on another level compared to Urouge.
     
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  3. Dellinger Charismatic Awesome

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    Luffy broke through the barrier that only a select few can. That is the billion range. Having a billion bounty means a lot or else Oda wouldn’t highlight it as much as he does
     
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  4. Djomla Student

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    Bounty doesn't really mean much in terms of strength. And no other WG except Law has some cool feats on screen. Christ's sake, not even Zoro has shown what he is truly capable of. So he still might fight some, but common, we all know what's gonna happen. He'll befriend them.
     
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  5. Furinji Saiga The One Shadow

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    Its too early for Luffy to start fighting already , especially when he just recently came out of an arc where he defeated two of a Yonkos top 3 commanders. We are also very early in the arc for some major fighting, thats why the "fight" with Hawkins was cut short, it was more of a showcase on what Hawkins is capable of.

    I think the other SN can hold their own against him, he definitely is the strongest though, that is undebatable.

    Also of the Supernova the only one I see him even facing off against is Kid, Law sure as hell aint at this point.
     
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  6. Priscilla Alabaster Corpse

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    Luffy is probably top dog now compare to the other SuperNova
     
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  7. Vivo Diez OBEY

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    Luffy is already significantly stronger than the other supernova and will continue to be. I can only see the rest playing catch-up till the end of the series, unless Oda pushes for a Roger-Whitebeard relationship between Luffy and Kidd, but it might be a bit too late for that.

    There can only be one PK, and there are already more than enough obstacles for Luffy to get there without also slapping on a supernova or two that could realistically challenge him.
     
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  8. White Wolf Retired Staff

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    The only Worst Gen he'll end up fighting is Blackbeard, the other Novas are inevitably allies to be, they lost their opportunity to be rivals/enemies/anything ''more'' than allies the second Law teamed up with him, Capone teamed up with him, and Kidd got ragdolled by Kaido. OP doesn't have enough arcs left to give them any kind of character development to make them a worthwhile challenge for Luffy.

    Oda's having a hard enough time developing the main crew through these last few arcs... working on the supernovas in any large capacity is a pipedream.
     
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  9. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    Drake might be around Luffy's level

    I think Luffy will face some rival SN this arc
     
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  10. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Urouge lost to cracker.

    Luffy beat Cracker and Katakuri.

    Law got his ass kicked bh Doflamingo.

    Luffy smacked doflamingo around like he owed him money.

    Luffy is clearly top dog.
     
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  11. TrolonoaZoro An artist with a Katana.

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    This is Zoro and kidds arc. Those 3 will seperate themselves from everyone.

    Oda underused Zoro right before he took him out of the manga for 2 years and then for the first time ever used him to hype sanji.

    And 4 chapters in odA's most hype arvlc and the one that has so many worthy fighters is supposs to resemble a war hes running laps around a supernova and has like 3 plot threads going on.

    Kidd lost his arm, got underused, and got captured in that exact arc.
     
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  12. Etherborn Cosmic Impulse

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    If only prior disappointment was actually a sign of great things in store. I might still have hope for Sanji if that was the case.
     
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  13. TrolonoaZoro An artist with a Katana.

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    Disappointment because of a history of great things leads to greatness.

    Disappointment when youre low key a joke char is just you going through the motions.
     
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  14. Neo Arcadia puru puru

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    Urouge is the only one remotely on-par with Luffy right now due to defeating a commander and escaping from the heart of an emperor's territory largely unscathed.
    Misleading. Urouge lost to Cracker when he was most likely in bad shape right after defeating Snack.
    Luffy wouldn't have beaten Cracker without Nami's help, and it's possible Katakuri threw the fight.
     
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  15. Kobe █▄█▄█ █ █▀█

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    Having the main character fight someone in his own league is always messy in manga. For one, there has to be a reason for why they are in the same league. And that requires extra attention to detail. Second, if the main character beats his direct rivals, then it would require a solid explanation. Supernova are a rather large group. And Luffy (Oda) cannot begin to pay attention to his rivals when his goal is beyond them.

    Lucci was the only one in the entire manga that was on Luffy's league after he acquired Gear 2 and 3. The others were either above him (tricky to get into, but easy to solve with additional plot tools), or below him (easy). Luffy vs. Lucci was/is a fan favorite for exact same reason. But Oda cannot repeat that more than once. Having the underdog (Luffy) beat the favorite (Doflamingo, Crocodile, Enel etc.) is easier to write and sell if the proper plot tools are provided.

    We have wanted to see a Luffy vs. Kidd matchup ever since Kidd's introduction. That was even destined to happen. But once Oda opened the Pandora's box with Big Mom and Kaidou, that fight will almost surely never happen.

    If you would also read Sabaondy Arc again, you will see that it is extremely difficult to write Supernova vs. Supernova matchup. So Oda would rather avoid doing it. Instead, the alliances are much easier to write and sell (against Yonkou)
     
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  16. Vengeance Goldenhand the Just

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    Serious Luffy is on a different level than any of the fellow Supernova right now, that's basically a fact.
    Some will catch up to some degree (predominantly Law, Kidd and Zoro), but none would push him to his limits like Katakuri did.
    Luffy and co. will face the true top dogs now, the rest of the SN will either end up as allies or will be beaten decisively.
     
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  17. Sage of 6 niggas Active Member

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    Defeating the strongest commander of one of the Yonkou is the best feat to come out of worst generation

    Urogue got bopped by Cracker. WGs who work under Kaidou are on a lower position than a commander too.


    Luffy is indeed above most of the WG, if not all (I personally feel only kidd will be his match but that's just my headcanon)
     
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    Following up from that post, I will my share personal experience struggling with reading main character fights when they are against someone on their own league. For example, in Hajime no Ippo, Ippo had a few rivals at the beginning of the series. All with background story and relevance to plot. Clearly, they were in Ippo's level or somewhere very close. However, I found that the climax for those fights were always sloppy. It always sounded as if Ippo won because he was the main character. But from reader's perspective when the opponent of the main character has a certain character development, it gets more difficult to digest the content, whatever the result is. (We have even seen this in Ichigo vs. Aizen)
     
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  19. Zeta42 SHSL Witch

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    ITT: tier specialists :skully

    Luffy doesn't fight other Supernovae because we can't have Straw Hats taking down the Yonkous all by themselves.
     
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  20. Erkan12 DB and OP Expert

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    Yes.

    You know this ''Worst Generation'' thing comes from the bounties right? They have become Supernovas due to the bounty only.

    So yeah, Bounty means a lot. Even Perospero told Pedro he shouldn't try to fight against him due to the huge difference between their bounties.

    Luffy is on a different level after his upgrade.
     
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  21. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    All the supernova teaming up and luffy giving the last attack would be good.
     
  22. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    Kid will still be a rival
     
  23. Brian           

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    Luffy would embarrass all of them, except for Ma D Monk
     
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    Doesn’t matter who beat who or who lost to who if you don’t include the circumstances
     
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    At this point... Luffy would probably buttrape them all at once if you exclude zoro, kid and law. Possibly x drake too
     
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    I can't see Kidd and Killer holding their own with Luffy and Zoro right now TBH. Certainly not Uroge or Drake.

    I think they'd have more trouble with Hax like Bonney's ageing, or whatever Hawkins has in the back. In the past, they've always been meatheads who only lose when they underestimate or can't deal with unconventional attacks (Perona's negativity, Aokiji's freezing, poison, mantra, logia intangibility etc.). Unless they're really massively outmatched against guys like Mihawk or Akainu. They're left to rely on PIS and CIS to get them through a lot of hax opponents.
     
  27. Go D. Usopp Straw Hats Wanker

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    Most of the supernova r just some lucky fkers with over 100k+ that got in at the same time with luffy. Nothing special shud be expected from them really. Some will turn out to be even less factors than Cavendish, a supernova from different gen.

    So yea its natural that Luffy doesn't have to play around with all of them. Only Law and Kidd matter that much and Bonney has potential. Urouge is a memester and the rest can be as non factor as Cavendish or less, unless they are all blessed by the power of Oda's fken editor to make 9 people luckily come to sabaody at the same time as Luffy and call them special.
     
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    What is all this hype about Drake tho ?
     
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    How do you know Luffy is on another level from the likes of Kidd, Law and Zoro?

    Luffy having an opportunity to beat a commander of an Emperor means no such thing.
     
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    Luffy would shit on them 1v1 in all honesty.
     
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