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Is SM > MS true?

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shazam, Jul 14, 2018.

  1. Shazam Well-Known Member

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    Generally speaking
     
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    Depends on user
    I mean SM HAshirama was > EMS MAdara+kurama
    SM NAruto=MS Sasuke at FKS

    SM as a powerup is more valuable than MS due to thevery fact that it has no drawbacks after it is attained and the user gets stronger subsequently unlike with MS where user goes blind.
     
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    SM is nothing more than a multiplication of your own base stats, and the same mulitplication also depends on SM mastery. For example, DSM Kabuto could handle without too much problem Itachi and EMS Sasuke's simultaneous assaults whilst we know for sure that SM Jiraya can't giving his portrayal.
    Therefore this question is quite vague and difficult to respond to.
     
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    In the long run, yes.

    You get better with SM the more you use it, and it does not damage your health.

    SM buffs most if not all of your physical parameters, open the windows for developing new techniques and grants you new haxed abilities like Frog Kata, Muki Tensei, White Rage, Gracious Deity Gates .... etc
     
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    The users are as strong as Kishimoto wants them to be..Its as simple as that..Obito was an MS user as well and he was regarded as the strongest Akatsuki member by many..Even stronger than Pain..Theoretically SM offers physical amps and is the better out of the two for the long run since it doesnt make the user blind and isnt taxing..But for insta kills and 1v1s, MS is the better out of the two due to its OHKO moves like Tsukuyomi, Kamui, Amaterasu, Koto
     
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    SM is the superior buff when you take everything into account.
    • MS degrades your eyesight with each consecutive use so spamming it is out of the question. The only way to counteract this is by either gaining EMS or obtaining Hashirama cells to boost your own physical dexterity and ability.
      • Trying to prolong the MS or make it near infinite takes one extra step however, which is something SM lacks giving it one advantage off the bat.
      • You also face the issues of
        • Finding an individual willing to trade eyes in order for you to obtain EMS
        • Being able to actually control Hashirama cells seeing how Danzo barely could while Obito did it as if it were childs play.
    • While MS can be noted to make a shinobi stronger in general SM does so in a significantly more dramatic way. Everything from your jutsu to physical strength, speed, as well as sensory capabilities are enhanced many fold.
      • The addition of NE based attacks to your arsenal also make you near unstoppable unless facing other hax or powerful shinobi on an even or greater level of power.
    • SM is also usually thought by legendary Sage summons. Learning it in one of the three legendary locations gives you access to special abilities that cannot be taught anywhere else. These abilities include things like
      • Hakugeki no Jutsu
      • Kawazu Kumite
      • Gamarinsho
      • Myōjinmon
      • Shinsu Senju
      • Muki Tensei
     
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    This post is just too sexy :bury
     
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    Yes because the majority of this board are Jman nuthuggers

    Neither from a narrative standpoint :catshrug

    From a vs standpoint...

    MS is factually a larger increase in ability and general standing than SM is

    Jman is widely considered to be a shinobi who has one of if not the most powerful "base" form in the manga, whereas Itachi is considered the polar opposite with one of if not the WORST "base" in the manga. Yet they are peers when it comes to their full power...Being MS vs SM :catshrug

    Hashirama has an absurdly powerful base form, given that he can compete with EMS madara and PS in Base with just Mokujin and mokuryu...And without Madara using MS powers he gets dumpstered by just Base hashi, yet when he enters SM they are still on par outside of SS :catshrug

    And so on

    Overall id call them more or less equal regarding the actual amps themselves, what really makes a difference is the user.

    MS affords more of a haxxed arsenal, better defenses, and blatantly faster techniques than SM does on the whole

    MS also has the OBSCENE advantage of being instantaneously activated compared to SMs 60 second nap time mid combat...I know what id want if i was fighting a one off death battle

    SM has the advantage of no long term disadvantages, but incredible short term ones...Like for instance its a very real possibility that a SM user wont even be capable of entering SM whatsoever against a skilled opponent...Which could easily spell defeat for them. Once in SM, its awesome, as it amps everything you do and actually heals you over time.

    Id liken the two amps to cooldown burst damage and ramped up sustained output in RPGs...MS being burst damage and SM being the latter

    MS can at a moments notice just pop its cooldowns and instant cast all of its big shit for massive damage at the drop of a hat, and it can do this at its leisure, but when its done with there are consequences, in an RPG when you use your cooldowns you cant use them again for sometime, and in Naruto when an MS user uses their abilities, theres a heavy stamina cost.

    SM is works with gradual buildup, there is a lot of work to getting to your high damage output and you cant do it whenever you want and can only do it under certain conditions, but once those conditions are met, you perform at that level basically until the fight is over with no dip in your output.
     
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    In my opinion:

    Itachi's MS > Sasuke's MS.
    Naruto's SM > Jiraiya's SM.

    So: Itachi > SM Naruto = MS Sasuke > SM Jiraiya.
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    MS is superior initially, but with time SM becomes superior.
     
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    Your logic doesn't make sense here. As Sasuke is likely superior to Itachi outside of battle intellect. His MS and stamina together makes him just as powerful if not more than Itachi.
     
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    It does make sense, you just disagree with it. Which is fine.
     
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    The only comparison where SM is blatantly superior to MS is hashi and madara. The rest either MS is superior or comparable.
     
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    War Arc SM Naruto shits on FKS MS Sasuke.

    Jiraiya being the only imperfect Sage still can beat MS Itachi extreme diff either way
     
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    Hashirama > Madara
    Naruto > Sasuke
    Minato > Obito
    Jiraiya > Itachi
    (Bonus: Kabuto > Itachi)

    SM users have always been portrayed as stronger than their respective MS user parallels :catshrug

    Plus there's the whole Ashura > Indra parallel showing that the power of the Sage's body > the power of his eyes :catshrug
     
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    I disagree on both your points. Itachi would beat jiraiya easily imo. He already low diffed oro who is on the same level of strength. SM Naruto vs MS sauce can go either way but I would lean more towards sauce due to genjutsu and Naruto not being able to doge amateratsu.
     
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  18. Shazam Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm not so sorry to say, but you're absolutely wrong.

    However on the brightside you have ever right to your opinion. 'Merica
     
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    No. They are about even buff wise.

    First though, The MS is more useful for making a weaker person alot stronger but you kinda already have to be strong to even get SM so it's a hard comparison anyway.

    They both have many disadvantages and advantages that other have listed well but I would like to add the differences change in the manga vs The battle dome.

    In the manga most fights are team fights or are in areas that allow a SM user to use their abilities to distract, or hide long enough to enter sage mode.

    Jiraiya was able to do it vs a Rinnegan user
    Kabuto was able to do it vs 2 MS Shinobi
    Naruto was able to do it vs his guards, Pein, Jubi, Jubito
    Hashirama was able to vs Madara
    Minato did it vs Jubidara
    So portrayal wise, the notion that they wouldn't be able to get into SM falls a bit flat.

    In the battle dome where people start in a more contrived set up it would be harder mostly.

    MS is a huge sudden boost in power that instantly takes you to the higher end of Kage level, activates quickly but can leave you open and can rarely be used many times in a day.

    Both are pretty comparable
     
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    They both have their pros and cons. Sage Mode has a time limit and requires a charge time where the user can't even move in order to invoke, but has no further drawbacks while the Mangekyo can use while the Mangekyo can use its powerful abilities whenever and with no limit bar the users own stamina, but eventually leaves the blind.

    So I'd say Sage Mode is better in the long term while the Mangekyo is better in the short term. Generally it depends on the user though, especially since Sage Mode has levels of mastery and depends on the users base arsenal, while the Mangekyo's techniques vary in power.
     
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