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Is this Narutoverse strength feat comparable to a One Piece strength feat

Discussion in 'Meta Battledome' started by The American Afro, Jun 6, 2007.

  1. The American Afro Banned

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    Hey guys I'm new here and as I was looking into the threads I see there is a constant argument between One Piece fans and Naruto fans. Now I by no means want to get into this but In some of the threads, One Piece fans say that there are no feats in Naruto that Compare to One Piece. Now in this scan we see Jiroubo, a low to mid tier Naruto nin launch a Giant Choji into the air about possibly 30 feet. Right here. This is when he turned to CSlvl2. Now mind that he is supposedly the weakest of the sound four. . What i'm trying to say is,are Upper tier Naruto nin's(ex.Gai,kakashi,Kisame) stronger than we give them credit for?:amazed

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  2. Giorno Giovannax Connor >>>> Superbitch Prime

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    First of all, who is this women as your sig?

    Second, in order to answer your question, we have to know how much does Chouji weight or at least his size. That would give us a clear indication of what we are looking at.

    Unfortunately, I can't really tell so maybe others can.
     
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    She fine huh. Her name is Christina millian
     
  4. ez Jesus Christ

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    isn't Jirobu physically the strongest which was the reason why he could do those techniques? I wonder if someone can find the page where that's stated
     
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    well, considering it is used as an attack, it is safe to say that choji was no just throwing around empty mass, it was a real, giant version of him.



    considering that the largest animal on the planet(blue whale) weighs about 181 metric tons, it is safe to assume choji(who is larger, and his body also has more mass) weighs a pretty decent amount whren in giant form.



    for the guy to make something that most likely weighs 200-300 metric tons shoot off the ground that far with nothing but a palm thrust, it's nothing short of amazing.



    also, consider the fact that as strong as he is, 3rd pill choji dwarfs his strength.
     
  6. Finn Mac Cool Active Member

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    Well, from the looks of the picture, it looks like Choji's finger is roughly the same height as those nearby trees. If you have some scans from earlier or later in the fight, we can determine how tall Choji was compared to the trees, and so figure out how much Choji increased in size and thus weight (according to the databook he weighs 69.3 kilograms).

    Something I've always wished we could calculate is how much Rock Lee's leg weights weighed; they must be pretty heavy because of the craters they made in the ground, yet Lee could still leap thirty feet into the air and move at blinding speeds with them on.

    The problem with comparing One Piece strength and Naruto strength is that One Piece uses brute strength so much more; in almost every single fight they have, Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji display their superhuman strength, while Naruto characters will attack using walls of water, fireballs, chakra draining bugs, and the like; superstrength is there, but it's rarely the main feature on display.
     
  7. DoomBringer Well-Known Member

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    The other sound were considered stronger, but not for physical reasons. Tayuya wasnt physically stronger than Jirobu by any stretch.
     
  8. Cthulhu-versailles The Luckiest Man in Agrabah

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    In terms of just raw strength... or I guess striking strength.. One Piece is completly beyond Naruto. to be quite frank, the low-mid and sometimes mid-mid Level Op chars are the cut off point where any further raw strength comparison is silly... and this only goes for the 4 or 5 truly exceptionally strong people in Narutoverse.

    Basically, Cs2 Jirobu is stronger then everyone in Narutoverse except Red Pill Chouji and I would argue Tsunade. Sakura might also be stronger or even. Everyone else except Gated Gai, who might very well be just as strong or slightly weaker then Cs2, should be firmly below them in strength. The people mentioned previously are all class 100, Marvel measurement, and should have striking force far in excess. Proof for Gated Gai is that in Base he should be a good 30/40 tons in striking power. This was proven by his impulsiveness and confidence that he could destroy that huge rock, whereas the wall is just proof of lower ton strenght. The latter however would not correlate with lots of stuff. Anyway, subsequent feats of Base Jirobu, comments about taijutsu and how it showed a correlation with strength with the whole shika/chouji speech and crap are also kinda proof.

    Gated Lee aleady showed his strength. Besides, this one's obvious.

    Kakuzu stopped a charging Jinchu and then punched down a Steel door that had a Seal. Now Assuming the seal was anything like the seal Gai faced, Kakuzu is clearly stronger then Base Gai. Also don't forget his kick on Kakashi and the seeming destruction he caused from missing a hit against Shikamaru.

    Kisame is stronger then Base Gai, although by how much who knows. However, Gai commented on how he had monstrous strength.

    Base Jirobu would fit into the 40-80 ton strength range, or maybe a bit higher given the rock he picked up and through. Cs1 Jirobu is far more annoying to judge, but base solely on the suppose boost the cs gives I'd guesstimate he becomes two or 3 times stronger. I dunno.

    -J-man = The original cs and thus presumbly pretty strong, but to what extent, I dunno. Say somewhere between Base Jirobu and cs1 Jirobu strength.

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    Everyone else, forget chouji, is a peg or two below everyone mentioned above.

    With the most closely behind being
    -Kyuubi Naruto stopping giant snakes with a punch, tossing sasuke out of the water hundred of feet and into a cliff.
    -Cs2 Sasuke being as strong in their fight. Current= who knows.
    -Kakashi, Asuma, (databook indicates they have more strength then base rock lee)
    -Base Lee and his leg weights
    -Sakon/Ukon ? / Kiba ?/ ---
    -Some databook mofo



    Others likely f
     
  9. Esponer Brief Intermission

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    This is something I wrote earlier. Only the first part applies to the feat you're discussing.

    Chouji's height is 1.563 m, and his weight 69.3 kg (Databook).

    The first panel of c189:p12 suggests a 1:1 ratio between the height of a tree where the trunk is visible and the height where the leaves are visible. The sixth panel of c189:p7 suggests that the trunk of these trees are about two and a half times Jiroubou's height, 1.813 m (Databook). The trees would therefore seem from these panels to be 9 m tall, although various panels suggest much taller trees.

    Chouji's head is likely in the region of 0.2 m in length. In c189:p18's first panel we see Chouji when in a much larger form. His head would seem to be about as long as the trees, suggesting that lengths have multiplied by 45. Therefore Chouji's weight must have multiplied by a factor of 91,125. His weight does increase with his size — otherwise jumping on Jiroubou would have been a meaningless tactic.

    So, Jiroubou's Curse Seal Level Two strength is such that one upraised hand can produce a force equal to 63,150,000 N as a lower limit. A normal human would probably achieve around 100-300 N.. If he can produce that force with one upraised hand (a poor position for the arm's slow-twitch muscles), then nearly 120,000,000 N of force would not be unreasonable for a punch (Jiroubou specialises in the Rakanken taijutsu style, "Achiever of the Nirvana Fist", which focuses on simple, powerful attacks. It is not unreasonable to say that he knows how to deliver a punch such that it strikes when at maximum acceleration to maximise the force).

    That 120,000,000 N of force is roughly the force produced when Jiroubou tried to hit Chouji in c190:p16, first panel. Chouji catches and stops dead the attack with one hand, with his arm in an extremely poor position for withstanding force. If Jiroubou could get half his punching force into holding Chouji upwards, then Chouji can only get a third of his punching force at this angle.

    Now, at this point we could contest the analogy a little in several different ways, but suffice it to say that to block Jiroubou's attack and stop it dead at that angle, it easily implies that the force Chouji could've applied outstripped Jiroubou's punch by an order of magnitude. So Chouji's punch would deliver 3,600,000,000 N of force.

    If the "ten times" and "hundred times" are to be taken literally, then Yellow Chouji delivers 36,000,000 N of force in a punch, and Curse Seal 1 Jiroubou delivers 12,000,000 N. Green Chouji and Jiroubou normally should be the very similar with Chouji slightly ahead, judging from c189:p2 panels 1 and 3. Jiroubou was tearing up massive boulders without any Curse Seal, so his normal state certainly isn't below delivering a few hundreds of thousands of newtons of force. These numbers seem huge, but they all seem to be roughly consistent with the turnarounds.

    (In case you're wondering, this is not far less powerful than One Piece characters' strength, in fact it's probably stronger than most of them.)
     
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    What exactly is the nature of that jutsu?

    Its a mistake to simply assume its Chouji turning godzilla size.
     
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    It's called Cho Baika No Jutsu, essentially Super Multi-Size Expansion Jutsu, and pretty much increase the entire body of the user into that of a giant.

    Since the fact that it increase the body of the user into such a size, it is safe to assume that the mass of the user also increases tremendously since it was created to crush the opponent by being much bigger than them.
     
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    In short. Yes.

    In Long, it puts him in the upper quadrant of the mid tier of OP strength. More than most, but less than the best.
     
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    If you want to find his weight, find the proportion larger he was then cube that to the amount his weight multiplied.

    e.g. (This is really rough; correct anything you wish)

    My thumb is about half an inch wide and I'm about 72 inches tall.
    chouji's thumb width was equal to Jirobou's height, so Chouji was about 150 times bigger.

    I think 150 cubed will be a bit over 3 million, so Chouji was 3 million times heavier. Chouji was a chubby 12 year old, so I'll put him at 120 lbs.

    Thus, he was 360M lbs.

    That seems really fucking huge - feel free to put in better numbers or use a calculator.
     
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    Is this suggesting that red pill Chouji is the strongest(physically) person in the Narutoverse we've seen so far.
     
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    Why cubed?
     
  16. Pipboy Now With 96% More Pip

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    And why not use Chouji's dimensions, as opposed to yours, chouji is not 100% humanly proportioned, endomorphic and exaggerated.
     
  17. Giorno Giovannax Connor >>>> Superbitch Prime

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    Also, another thing to notice is that despite his showing of sheer strength, Jiroubou was considered the weakest of the sound four and also Kimimaro (when healthy) trashed everyone, including jiroubou. So at least in terms of power,the fact that he is the weakest and that he could not even touch Kimimaro is something to think about here.
     
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    He was considered weakest in overall strength not physical strength.
     
  19. Giorno Giovannax Connor >>>> Superbitch Prime

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    That's what I mean. If he is able to do that feat and yet his physical strength meant shit to people like Kimimaro, then it's gotta mean something.
     
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    I just did that honey, read my post.
     
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    Yes but it isnt as impressive as some of the onepiece feats

    Like knocking people into the low stratosphere
     
  22. The American Afro Banned

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    Exactly my point.
     
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    There is little to no evidence that his physical strength meant anything to Kimimaro as strength of the body wasn't Kimmimaro's purpose.
     
  24. Giovanni Rild The mods are my enemy

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    Kiminaro was faster, Had a ultimate defense, had lethal attacks and was a taijutsu beast.
     
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    Kimimaro basically killed off hundreds of Naruto's Kage Bunshins, although Naruto plain sucks at Taijutsu.
     
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    Another thing you might notice is that Chouji already mentioned that he put "all of his chakra in his other hand" the page before the punch. Now THATS insane.

    Well...yea. That's practically a given. Short of Tsunade opening a few gates(or possibly Tsunade taking a pill using the fat from her breasts), or his dad taking the red pill, Chouji's most likely the strongest we've seen. In terms of physical strength, probably a bit more than Gai with 8 gates(only because it's built specifically for his body type rather than a generic powerup.)

    Regardless of level of skill, Jiroubou's CS2 strength was undeniably in the upper echelons of strength in Naruto(Kaname's comparisons seemed most accurate in this thread). But in return, he didn't seem to have that many doton, any genjutsu, much speed, etc. But for someone acting as one of the elite guards for Orochimaru, with an insane powerup as the CS, it's no surprise.
     
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    Why is it so hard for people to read. This is a thread concerning strength, notably not strength as in overall power but strength as in ability to lift and move things, or at least chakra induced striking strength. How on earth does Kimmimaro's speed and skill factor into that? Oh wait, it does in that it shows that he need not be stronger than Jiroubu to be "stroneger" than him.
     
  28. Giovanni Rild The mods are my enemy

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    I was listing the reasons why Jirobu's strength was useless against Kimi. No need to get snappy.
     
  29. Pipboy Now With 96% More Pip

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    And this is a thread about physical strength. I don't feel I need to again reiterate why that is relevant to the content of your post.
     
  30. Giovanni Rild The mods are my enemy

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    Ok ok calm down.
     
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