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Israel at 70: jubilant US embassy opening masks fevered times

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    Flowers – red, white and blue – form the image of the US flag on the road leading up to the site of the new American mission in Jerusalem. “US embassy” signs have been hoisted in the neighbourhood. The US embassy Twitter account – previously in Tel Aviv as @usembassytlv – is now @usembassyjlm.

    All is set for the inauguration on Monday, an opening charged with symbolism that its organisers anticipate will set off a wave of euphoria across the Jewish state 70 years since it declared independence on 14 May 1948.

    Hundreds of guests will attend, alongside a White House delegation led by John Sullivan, US deputy secretary of state, and including the much higher-profile Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner.

    For Israel’s prime minister, the embassy move is seen as one of two gifts from Donald Trump to the country, the other being his exit this week from the Iran nuclear deal that will reimpose sanctions on Benjamin Netanyahu’s arch-enemy.

    Yet a celebratory atmosphere masks a particularly feverish time for Israel, even, some say, by historical standards.

    To Israel’s south, the army has been lambasted internationally for its lethal response to Palestinian protests that have not relented for weeks. To the north, and for the first time in decades, the country is facing the possibility of on-off interstate war.

    Trump’s decision to recognise the holy city as Israel’s capital was made in stark defiance of long-held international consensus that the status of divided Jerusalem should be negotiated with the Palestinians.

    Senior Palestinian official Nabil Shaath, speaking near the site of the new embassy, said Trump was “siding totally with Israeli annexation and Israeli cleansing of our people from Jerusalem”.

    As the US president’s daughter attends the pomp, less than 60 miles away, a six-week protest spurred on by anger and desperation at Trump’s embassy decision is expected to culminate in a mass demonstration in Gaza.

    Next week has added significance for millions of Palestinians, who will mark seven decades since the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people who either fled or were forced from their homes during the war surrounding Israel’s creation.

    Gaza’s protesters have vowed to break through the perimeter fence despite the presence of Israeli snipers deployed on sandbanks behind it.

    The Gaza-based leader of Hamas, which rules the enclave, said the rallies would be peaceful but would not be held back. “What’s the problem if hundreds of thousands storm this fence which is not a border of a state?” Yahya Sinwar said, claiming the frontier was not internationally recognised.

    Israel’s use of live ammunition against unarmed masses has killed dozens of Palestinians, including journalists, and wounded around 1,700, including children shot in the legs.

    On Friday, Israeli troops killed one protester and wounded 49 others, according to Gaza’s health ministry. The Israeli military said 15,000 Palestinian “rioters” had taken part and thrown “pipe bombs and grenades” towards Israeli troops. No Israeli has been wounded during the six-week movement.

    In stark contrast to that of the White House, the general international reaction to the Israeli army’s actions has been condemnatory.

    In a separate move defying global allies, Trump effectively pulled out of the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement on Tuesday, a decision that has shaken an already turbulent Middle East.

    On Thursday, Israel accused Tehran’s forces of launching a barrage of rockets at its troops in the occupied Golan Heights. Iran did not confirm it had fired but the incident follows reports of multiple unclaimed and surreptitious Israeli strikes on Tehran’s outposts in Syria this year.

    Saying it was retaliating against the rockets, Israel launched a massive operation on its Arab neighbour – the largest in Syria since the early 70s.

    The Israel Defence Forces claimed its missiles hit nearly all key Iranian military targets in Syria during dozens of strikes. The operation, nicknamed “house of cards”, was lauded by unnamed military officials in local media as a huge success against its enemies.

    A poll this month found 63% of Israelis thought the embassy move was in Israel’s best interests and 71% believed that the military’s open-fire policy in Gaza was justified. Closed to half believed Iran and Israel were unlikely to fight directly, although the poll was conducted before Thursday’s confrontation.

    Ahead of the embassy opening, others have cautioned against jubilation over the US pullout of the Iran deal and the Israeli attack in Syria.

    “In Israel these days, Benjamin Netanyahu is king and Donald Trump is a god. Adrenaline is flowing through the nation’s veins and testosterone could soon spill over,” wrote Chemi Shalev, the US editor for the left-leaning Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

    “[C]ritics of the two leaders can only hope and pray that their apprehensions are misplaced and that euphoria, for a change, won’t turn out to be a prelude to disaster,” he said.

    Iran’s foreign ministry said the raids in Syria were launched on “invented pretexts” and that Damascus had every right to defend itself. In a more defiant tone, a senior Iranian cleric close to the leadership, Ahmad Khatami, was quoted on state TV as saying: “We will expand our missile capabilities despite western pressure.”

    Ben Caspit, a prominent Israeli journalist, described a national mindset of elation in Maariv, one of the country’s oldest daily newspapers, saying if Israel were playing a football game, the score would be “10-0 in our favour”.

    “The problem is that the final whistle can’t be blown any more,” he wrote. “The dangerous game that we have been drawn into can turn against us at any moment. It has no set or clear rules ... The security establishment knows that this wasn’t even the first half of the game. It was barely the start.”

     
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    The United States officially opened its embassy to Israel in Jerusalem on Monday, fulfilling a pledge by President Donald Trump who has recognized the holy city as the Israeli capital.

    “Today we open the United States embassy in Jerusalem, Israel,” U.S. ambassador to Israel David Friedman said at the beginning of the inaugural ceremony, attended by a U.S. delegation from Washington and Israeli leaders.

    On the Gaza border, at least 38 Palestinians were killed by Israeli gunfire in the latest in a round of protests dubbed the “Great March of Return”, health officials said.

    Trump’s recognition of contested Jerusalem as Israel’s capital in December outraged Palestinians, who said the United States could no longer serve as an honest broker in any peace process with Israel.

    Palestinians seek East Jerusalem as the capital of a state they want to establish in the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

    Israel regards all of the city, including the eastern sector it captured in the 1967 Middle East war and annexed, as its “eternal and indivisible capital” in a move that has not won international recognition.

     
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    Israel: "Get off my lawn!"
     
  4. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Happy anniversary @Megaharrison, @Deer Lord and whoever else we have. :)

    I'm old enough not to be a dick about it. (And Israel is old enough that we should stop debating whether or not the country has a right to exist)
     
  5. Hitt Never ending sea of disappoint

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    Let the dick waving commence. Because in the end, that's all this is.
     
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    Israeli troops kill dozens of Palestinians in protests as US embassy opens in Jerusalem – live updates

     
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    Countries that sent delegates to opening ceremony: Albania, Angola, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Cameroon, Chile, Colombia, Congo, Croatia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Estonia, Finland, Italy, Ivory Coast, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, India, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Myanmar, Nigeria, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Rwanda, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Korea, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Thailand, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Zambia

    Countries that have moved embassy to Jerusalem or are in the process of doing so: USA, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Paraguay, Romania, Russia

    Countries actively boycotting US embassy opening event: Belgium, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Jordan, Nicaragua, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Sweden, Turkey, United Kingdom, the Vatican


    P.S., bring me more salt :druul
     
  8. Megaharrison Eternal President of the Cafe Advisor

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    Here's what Hamas issued to Israel before the march:



    How peaceful of them!


    Anyway, throw molotov's at soldiers and try to start fires, get shot. Pallywood is really getting pathetic.
     
  9. WorkingMoogle Well-Known Member

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    So Taiwan being 73 years old....
     
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  10. Kroczilla Well-Known Member

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    that middle east peace plan seems to be coming along swimmingly:raiden
     
  11. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Legally speaking "Taiwan" is 0 years old because no state by that name has been officially declared. :edu

    But if we're counting from when the Nationalist government of the Republic of China made Taipei their temporary capital (pending re-conquest of their official capital Nanjing), the start date is December 7, 1949. So "Taiwan" would be coming up on 69 years old.
     
  12. WorkingMoogle Well-Known Member

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    So next year then? :zaru
     
  13. Hitt Never ending sea of disappoint

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    When you have millions of people claiming "rightful" ownership of holy land, decreed by God himself, that's is what you're going to get. Trump decided there wasn't enough strife going on in this region already, so he decides to throw a match in the gasoline pool.
     
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    Based Norway boycotting these rats.
     
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    I don't think the Taiwanese exactly "celebrate" being driven into exile, though.

    The founding-related public holidays in the Taiwanese calendar are National Day on October 10 commemorating the start of the 1911 Wuchang Uprising which was to topple the Qing dynasty, and January 1 which marks the 1912 declaration of the Republic of China.

    One of the very first acts of the Republic was to replace the Chinese Calendar with the Gregorian Calendar, so for the symbolic value of "starting a new era" the Republic was proclaimed on New Year's Day.

     
  16. Megaharrison Eternal President of the Cafe Advisor

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    Enjoy your rapeugees
     
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    How do Israelis usually celebrate this? Is it like July 4th in the USA where everyone gets a day off and goes BBQing with fireworks?
     
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    From my experience they traditionally celebrate it by trolling message boards.
     
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    You essentially have two options. Continue with the status quo of not recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital, which will just keep the conflict simmering forever because the Palestinians will cling onto fantasies. Or you can do the opposite, namely to recognize reality, count on the blowback to be manageble and hope it will be eventually accepted as de facto reality in a couple of decades/centuries.

    What you cannot do is to force Israel to accept a "peace treaty" that compels them to secede parts of Jerusalem. They will never accept it. You can boicot and decry it as a breach of international law all you want, but they are not gonna budge on that, no matter what.

    That's rich, coming from the same people that sponsor propagandic UNESCO resolutions that ignores/denies Jewish connections to Jerusalem.
     
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    Enjoy our Jew puppet president, once someone like Obama who doesn't take shit from you gets elected, I'll enjoy your tears again
     
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    It's pretty impressive that Israel as a state actually came back, considering how it was gone for almost 2000 years (70 AD - 1948 AD).
     
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    The only major european country to be present :datass

    Those two countries :bury

    SJWeden,not surprised :hehee

    Happy anniversary Mega and to all the Israeli NF members :amuse
     
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    The Muslims had it for quite some time and times change. It was good while it lasted and you're right, people should move on.

    Lets give it to Israel for a few hundred years. When Muslims take over the Western Europe, we'll take it back again :maybe
     
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  26. WT #for the watch

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    Thats a load of bullshit.

    I buy into the notion that the Jewish identity was stolen by those whose ancestors never belonged to this land.

    I can also guarantee that a large chunck of the Jews who lived in those areas back then converted to Christianity or to Islam

    And lastly, its not the same civilisation. A large chunck of Israeli nationals are athiests / secularists. They've fooled everyone that the Jewish identity is a race not a religion. If it was a race then I guess that I'm a muslim Jew from my mothers side and so have claim to Israel as well
     
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    Pretty much. Now is as good a time as any really. The other Arab states are exhausted from dealing with the Arab Spring and many are eager to team up with Israel to push back on Iran, so there are diplomatic options there. Also, the traditional leftist talking point that peace would come to the Middle East as long as you deal with Israel and the Palestinian conflict has been blown out of the water by the Syrian Civil War. The European states have to prioritize that over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because its directly affecting their economies, society, and the EU project as a whole. The Israeli hating left are distracted by the rise of the far right and Trump. Also, its harder to pretend that Jews don't need a country of refuge when antisemitic attacks are up and Nazis are literally marching down the street.
     
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  28. Saishin Hajimemashite

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    Does Ivanka has any official position in the Trump administration? :hmm

     
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    Sort of, usually people go to parks and have mass BBQ's. The US treats 4th of July like a bigger deal though.

    You're some kind of /pol/estinian that worships Obama. Bizarre.
     
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    also this
     
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