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Itachi 11 or 13?

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by lekki, Oct 27, 2005.

  1. lekki Specialist

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    Ok, this came to my attention via Sho. The fact that Itachi was 11 when he got the MS and not 13.

    Is this true?
    Did Itachi kill Shisui and then hang around for 2 extra years before killing everybody, or is this just one of two possiblities which are both acceptable in this community due to the fact that it's common knowledge that Kishimoto can use a calender about aswell as a quadrapeligic can ride a bike?:blink
     
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  2. Crowe inactive - most of the time

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    I dont see why this needs a new thread, Sho posted some facts that pretty correct. What more would you need to change your opinion?

     
  3. lekki Specialist

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    How about the fact that their based on a plot hole?

    I even acknowledged the fact that they're pretty good but there are still people like me who're in the dark about this consensus that Itachi was 11 and not 13.

    And it's worth discussing.
    Sucks to be if you don't think so:thumbs
     
  4. Dyroness x

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    So. Isn't Sho fantastic? :amuse
    Kishimoto, when revealing the massacre was when Itachi is 13, made everyone believe the Mange achievement was shortly before. The "time skip" in the Uchiha Gaiden went unnoticed by us, except Sho got notice of it.
     
  5. TenshiOni Active Member

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    Yeah, as Sho explained, he got the MS shortly before his twelfth birthday, and massacred the clan shortly after his thirteenth.

    So yeah, there was a timeskip in there that we weren't exactly shoved in the face with.

    The timeline still works.
     
  6. Gyroscope the flavin and the mavin

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    I always thought the timeskip was after Sasuke's semester card, before the Shisui death.
    But anyway, it works either way.
    Im just not too confident about how he managed to stay in the clan with all them police officers investigating the murder and all
     
  7. Spectrum Active Member

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    Well, I stand by what I posted a year ago that while the mini-time jump is the only thing that makes any sense, it still doesn't make all that much sense. :p

    I agree with lekki about Kishimoto's sense of time. XD
     
  8. rubbereruben Drunken Fist Style

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    As is the fact that Tutanchamon was murdered about 3300 years ago. But not everybody knows that either.

    Don't blame the guy for not knowing.
     
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  9. Crowe inactive - most of the time

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    What is there to discuss ? Nothing. This is a 'Yeah. I know' ' ah, i didnt know that' thread. You cant discuss against real fact.

    Sucks to be you if you still think that this thread is still worth existing (:
     
  10. shintebukuro Well-Known Member

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    According to the Uchiha flashbacks, Itachi got the mangekyou at 11 years old.

    Orochimaru left akatsuki 7 years ago, because of Itachi. 18 -7 = 11.

    Coincidence?
     
  11. Kahlua2606 ANBU

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    This was also discussed many many many times. The main theory is that Oro wanted to take over Itachi's body, but by that point Itachi had the MS, and would have killed/tried to kill/almost killed Oro, so Oro left.

    The problem with this is that Oro didn't voluntarily leave, he fled after his human experiments were discovered and Sarutobi almost killed him.

    So, who knows?
     
  12. ChickenPotPie HAH.

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    The 7 Year thing is in reference to Orochimaru's leave of Akatsuki. It's unknown when he leaves Konoha.
     
  13. Lord Itachi Uchiha God

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  14. Marsala The Ice-Cream Man Cometh

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    He wasn't murdered. They recently discovered that he died of natural causes after all.
     
  15. RockLee is no brethren unto Kaminae

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    XD Random fact of the day.

    Actually, this thread is informative. Save the thread! =D Besides, the whole timeline problem? Itachi probably needed the year in order to master Mangekyou.
     
  16. Kashama Sasori Of the Red sand

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    I guess, you can get the third fire ball thing, but you probably cant actually *use* the thing untill youve practiced with it.
     
  17. Gold Knight To The Rescue!

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    I like this thread, it'll stay around.

    I didn't know about that either, but when dealing with flashbacks, it shouldn't really matter if time gets a bit screwy. After all, how reliable is one's memory, especially dating back so far?

    Sometimes you just gotta read the story and not worry about such details like that. If you do, I feel you're being nit-picky. It's not like this plot hole exactly was thrown into our face. (Just my opinion.)
     
  18. Kiyoshi The Former Avatarless

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    Meh, small detail. It'll get explained if we are paitent enough, or Kishi decided to make a small change after forgetting some details.

    Anyway, because Shisui "died" that night doesn't mean Itachi got the Mangekyou Sharingan then. Rereading chapter 222 almost makes it seem Itachi himself is a bit confused about what happened. The body may have been a dupe to fool the village when Shisui either left or was kidnappend (Pick to match your own favorite Naruto conspiracy theories). As Anbu, it may have taken Itachi a year or so to find and kill Shisui....

    Of course, there is probably another chapter or 2 that makes this point moot, or the data book proving me wrong. Besides, that excuse seems a bit too Soap Opera-ish to be satisfactory.
     
  19. Kickmeister Member

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    This is really cool, I didn't know! Thanks a lot ;D Oh and this thread is cool, keep it..
     
  20. Crowe inactive - most of the time

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    He beat the cops and then turned on his mangekyo facing Sasuke. That was the day after the murder. It doesnt in anyway look like he is confused. He is acting pretty arrogant and probably just wanted to show off his new skillz for the cops.
     
  21. Kyuubi Naruto Hounds of Justice

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    I agree with peK. He sounded pissed because he was downgraded in their eyes.
     
  22. Last of the Uchihas Get your own girls, Jonas!

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    Actually, he wasn't being arrogant... at first.

    The whole time the Cops showed up, they started to accuse Itachi of the murder indirectly and threaten him of jail time. It was their arrogance that got their asses beaten. Itachi didn't want to fight or show any new skill as you say. If Sasuke hadn't "stopped" Itachi right there, he woudl have killed them with MS, so the entire Uchiha massacred would have started two years before he kills them at the age of 13.

    The only reason why Itachi lay the smack down on them was because of that.

    Don't you rememebr the quote"

    You lay beaten here because you assumed i had patience.

    Patience of what?

    Well, of people accusing him of course.

    He did after all say, "if they had something to say, to say to his face".

    Its after that, that Itachi becomes arrogant, but not before as he give his speech about the potencial of his vessels.

    Itachi never claimed he killed Shisui, not even to Sasuke. It might have sound as he had killed Shusui, but look at it closely, and you will see what i mean.

    When Itachi revealed to Sasuke how to obtained MS, Sasuke quickly tells if he killed Shusui for them,

    This is the key part.

    Itachi replied" Thanks to him, i obtained these eyes.

    So again, we still don't know if he indeed killed him or not.

    The body was never shown, (obito anyone?) so its way for Kishimoto to later on bring this misterious First MS user to the fold and have a big impact on the reader, that Shusui is indeed alive.

    So when Shusui comes back, people can't say. Wait wasn't he dead?

    Nope, if you considred the last lItachi's comment, and that bodies can be faked.
     
  23. Viciousness on a Forums Break

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    ^wow good point, yeah Itachi never did flat out say he killed Shisui. I guess this could bolster more Preliminary mangekyou theories, like "learn how and you can obtain a semi-mangekyou and kill people dear to you to make it grow into a full fledged one" IE shisui taught him how to unleash it originally and told him to kill the village to bolster it, and left a fake body in his place, thus what Itachi said could have been true still.. well just an idea.

    Anyway as for the age thing. Yeah Itachi was 11 when the cops confronted him about killing shisui. The next chapter is Sasuke waking up from a nightmare in bed 2 years later on the morning of the massacre. While lying there he daydreams about how he learned the katon no jutsu over a period of time from his father, but that too is a flashback. When Sasuke finally gets out of bed he's visibly taller and his face has changed slightly. His brother now weilds a sword, probably indicitive of him rising from Anbu member to captain in the past 2 years. Those discussions about Itachi becoming more and more distant between the family happened over a period of time. Its not like he had a huge outburst yesterday and suddenly he's soo distant from the family for a while, and has been shunning his brother...

    A long time ago I even speculated that the massacre occured when he was 11 and Kishimoto messed up. But by the end of the thread after careful review I realized that conclusion was wrong, and that hints had been left to the period of growth. 223 was just a confusing chapter because of the double flashback. You can read the thread for yourself if you want to see more reasoning at : Link removed
     
  24. Archer Great Teacher Onizuka

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    the timeline "hole" that ppl are talking about lies within the ages. based on the databook, itachi is 5 years older than sasuke.

    itachi has that mission critical 2 joining anbu on the same day as sasuke's entrance into the academy. itachi's dad comments this is half a year after itachi became a chuunin and it is stated that he became a chuunin at 10. so this would put his age somewhere around 10 1/2 to 11 & 5 months. (depend on what is meant by chuunin at 10, just turned 10 or 10 & 11 months?)

    yet sasuke is supposedly 7 when he joins the academy. meaning the age difference is 3-4 years. though i forget if thats 100% or whether that was assumed based on what sasuke mentioned about him being the same age as itachi when he graduated (7). or maybe it was assumed sasuke joined at the same age as itachi (since it took itachi a year 2 graduate from the academy)
    i guess kishi can just say sasuke entered acad at 5 - 6 years and that statement was during the "unknown" timeskip. for someone who always scored the highest, it sure took sasuke a long time to grad from the academy... also if he is 7 after the time skip and itachi is (at least) 13, thats a six years difference. :oh

    still, the worst timeline offense was kakashi gaiden taking place after yondaime's fight/death w/ kyuubi.. kishi uses the japanese word 'jyuusuu' which is equivalent to ten-odd or 9-11.. at that point, it had been 13 years since kyuubi (12 + the one yr that passed) :blink

    anyway whatever you believe, don't blame kishi, blame his assistants.. i mean how hard is it to draw a timeline (which consists of a line with each year marked off on it) and just fitting things onto the timeline everytime kishi decides to use/mark a 'date' in the story) :laugh

    oh yeah, it should be at 12, but i think he had 2 have MS @ 11, if oro left 7 yrs ago. thats the only way itachi could have been stronger than oro IMO.. (which is in no way a slap on itachi)
     
  25. LMAO. Itachi at 11 was already stronger than Orochimaru + Manda.
     
  26. Uchiha Crip #4 Banned

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    Yeah, thats quiet sad of Orochimaru that he left the most powerful organization in the Naruto world beacuse of some teenager who still would play with Legos.
     
  27. Shidoshi Cross Marian: Ninjai's Father

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    This is all based on the assumption that semester report cards are issued after 6 months.

    If the academy can have finals to the point where Naruto can fail several times, yet still graduate with people in his class the same age, then semesters are measured differently there than it some other countries.

    Hell, as it is, when I was in elementary school, we got report cards 4 times a year, after each "marking period" or "quarter". Not every six months.
     
  28. Marsala The Ice-Cream Man Cometh

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    But if you shorten the semesters, Itachi gets even younger...
     
  29. Shidoshi Cross Marian: Ninjai's Father

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    All I'm saying is that since Naruto can fail the final exam twice or three times and still graduate with students his own age in his class, that means that semesters are measured differently than in "normal" schools.

    Like I said, starting school in the fall, I would get my first report card before November, after the end of the first quarter. I would get my second one during the holiday break, third one before spring break, and the last one (with the final grades averaged from all four quarters) right after classes ended for the summer.
     
  30. TenshiOni Active Member

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    Naruto started 2 years earlier than his peers, as is evident with that flashback during the Naruto vs. Kiba fight.
     
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