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Italy demands apology for France's 'hypocritical' criticism on migrants

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  1. Saishin Hajimemashite

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    Italy's Foreign Ministry in Rome, where the French ambassador was summoned after a diplomatic spat over a stranded migrant ship.

    Italy on Wednesday summoned the French ambassador and postponed planned finance talks, in an escalating diplomatic spat with France over the handling of a migrant crisis in the Mediterranean.

    The Italian government considers "unacceptable", Foreign Affairs Minister Enzo Moavero Milanesi stated.

    The migrants saved by the Aquarius, run by French NGO SOS Méditerranée, were as Italy and Malta bickered over who should take them, before Spain stepped in and offered the port in Valencia as a place for the migrants to land in Europe.

    The accusation by Paris that Rome acted irresponsibly is "compromising relations between Italy and France", Milanesi said after summoning French ambassador Christian Masset for a meeting on Wednesday morning.

    French President Emmanuel Macron is due to receive Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte on Friday, though the meeting has been jeopardized by the ongoing war of words. Meanwhile Finance Minister Giovanni Tria announced that he would cancel an official visit to Paris, though his French counterpart Bruno Le Maire later said the two had agreed to reschedule their talks.

    Italy's deputy prime minister called for an official apology before any further summits. In a speech to the senate on Wednesday, Matteo Salvini – who is also Italy's interior minister and head of the nationalist League party – said that France had only taken in 640 of the more than 9,000 people it had promised to take from Italy. He also said that in the five months to the end of May this year France had sent back to Italy 10,249 migrants who had crossed their common border.

    "Our history of solidarity, humanity and welcoming spirit does not deserve to be criticized by members of the French government," he said.

    The French foreign ministry responded that Paris was "perfectly aware of the weight of migratory pressure on Italy and the efforts of this country".

    "Nothing said by France has questioned this, nor the need to coordinate closely among Europeans," a spokesperson said.

    Italy's new populist government had earlier said that it would not "accept hypocritical lessons from countries that have preferred to look the other way on immigration".

    "The Italian government has never abandoned the almost 700 people aboard the Aquarius," it said in a statement on Tuesday. "After the refusal of Malta to allow the people aboard the Aquarius to disembark there, we received . The same cannot be said of France, which has often adopted much more rigid and cynical immigration policies."

    Luigi Di Maio, leader of the Five Star Movement (M5S) that makes up Italy's new government alongside the League, minister of labour and, with Salvini, joint deputy prime minister, said that it was "embarrassing" that France "preached to us" as Italy is asking its European partners to share duties with Italy.

    "I'm pleased that they [France] have discovered responsibility. Let them open their ports and if they want we can send them a few people," he told reporters on Tuesday.

    But there was also criticism from Spain, despite its gesture of solidarity. Justice Minister Dolores Delgado said that Italy may have violated international humanitarian law, while Ximo Puig, president of the Valencia region, commented: "Turning this into a political weapon is despicable... it is clear that Europe must act more wisely, but we cannot let these people die at sea."

    Italy's actions won praise, however, from the leaders of Hungary and Slovakia, two EU members that have fiercely resisted hosting asylum seekers.

    "Finally!" said Hungary's anti-immigration Prime Minister Viktor Orban said at a meeting with his Slovak counterpart Peter Pellegrini on Tuesday. "We assure the Italian government of our complete support," he said, adding that he hoped Italy's stance "can bring a change to Europe's migration policy".

    Yet Slovakia's premier insisted that "we refuse to let migrants enter our country", a stance that could bring him into conflict with Italy's new leaders, who have called for the automatic, compulsory resettlement of migrants across all EU countries.

    The M5S-League government says that current EU rules, which require migrants to seek asylum wherever in Europe they first arrive, leave Italy and its southern neighbours bearing the brunt of mass migration across the Mediterranean.

    It has found , with the latter saying on Wednesday that the three governments aimed for "very sensible cooperation that will contribute to reducing illegal migration to Europe".

    The Aquarius is currently sailing for Valencia escorted by two Italian vessels, the Dattilo and Orione, which between them took on board more than 500 of the people rescued for the remainder of the 1,500-km journey after SOS Méditerranée said it was not safe for the Aquarius to continue unassisted.

     
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  2. Kafuka Fuura 象の消滅

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    Someone had to be the first to say no, and Italy did it.
     
  3. Torpedo Titz Degenerate Daimyo

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    >Italy's new populist govt

    Pretty sure Macron could be labelled the same thing being a big outsider to French politics who crushed FN with his broad popularity. Love the way these things are worded to shit on whichever country is being blamed kek
     
  4. zeroantizero Well-Known Member

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    Others have, I think. But Italy is the first country big enough and close enough to the E.U.'s core to say to the Commission "make us" without consequence.
     
  5. wibisana still newbie

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    Pretty sure it is the way to deal with crisis right? Let people dying on the ship. Not allowed to shore
     
  6. Kafuka Fuura 象の消滅

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    Don't lay the blame on Italy or Europe. The fault is the economic migrants own fault and the people traffickers they pay to smuggle them.
     
  7. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    Do Italy and France have any history of bad blood with one another?

    Do they even care that one another even exists?
     
  8. wibisana still newbie

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    Yeah letting people die on the ship clearly is ok
     
  9. Kafuka Fuura 象の消滅

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    Uh-huh, look Wib-Kun, we – and by 'we' I really mean Germany – tried your way and it backfired spectacularly, and contributed to thousands drowning in the Mediterranean.

    Nobody said it was a the most perfect solution, but it is the most preferable and humane.
     
  10. ClandestineSchemer Well-Known Member

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    Australia is far worse. They fire warning shots and forcibly tow ships away from their shores.
     
  11. Chelydra Devour them all.

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    Italy did the correct thing here. If France is so concerned over the welfare of these people then they should take them in and not virtue signal that they care about migrants while dumping the problem on someone else.

    It sickens me that so many people on this forum are for illegal immigration and the complete disregard of a country's borders or the welfare of said country's citizens and legal immigrants.
     
  12. RavenSupreme Well-Known Member

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    Yeha. All those children on these ships totally deserve that right? Little Alita and her Teddybear had seen it coming!
     
  13. Kafuka Fuura 象の消滅

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    I totally blame the parents for deliberately putting their children in harm's way, and exploiting them.
     
  14. RavenSupreme Well-Known Member

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    So if you were in charge you would take children who seek refugee?
     
  15. CrownedEagle Knight of Erza

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    Even as a French, I'm 100% behind Italy on this one, since the beginning of this crisis, they have to manage all this shits when the rest of Europe don't move a finger for help them.
     
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  16. ClandestineSchemer Well-Known Member

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    Their chefs have a pretty huge rivalry.
    Italian Dolce vs french patisserie is a thing, apparently
     
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  17. baconbits Super Moderator

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    How do you say this in this thread but oppose the US's immigration standard in the other?
     
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    Yeah no, that's not what's going on here at all. We literally have no room left for more illegal immigrants and they've been a strain on our economy for many years now. France is being a huge dick about us not accepting them but they've done jack shit themselves to help with the situation. If they want to criticize us, they should put themselves in our position. Except what happened was Italy was basically imposed to accept all the boats for everyone else.
     
  19. Undertaker elect the dead

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    I suppose France was too far compared to Italy and Spain.
     
  20. Zenith L'osservatore

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    Good to see DiMaio and Salvini making good on their promise.
     
  21. Chelydra Devour them all.

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    Exactly said poster is a hypocrite. It's funny to see the Europeans use the exact same reasons we do to want to curtail illegal immigration, and justify blocking them, yet blast the US for using the exact same reasons.

    Illegal immigrants for thee and not for me seems to be the prevailing logic.
     
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  22. Zenith L'osservatore

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    Couldn't agree more.

    The narrative always goes like "you can't just turn them away... what about the kids? What about the women?" But never does the conversation get to "what about the parents of this children who endanger their own and their children's lives?". Irresponsible parents shouldn't be rewarded. We'll never stop this madness if we don't shut down our borders.

    The two are not remotely comparable. Trump's wall is just appealing to his loyalists, but the factual situation is not close to what Italy or Greece have been experiencing for a long time now. Trump's capitalising on the xenophobia of his base, Italy has a legitimate problem.

    Not at all comparable.
     
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  23. Pliskin Well-Known Member

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    While I think some care is in order when judging the border policy of heavily overburdened coastal regions like Italy, a more delicate and frankly humane reaction would be to have them land and then send them back when you are sure they are not going to immediately come to harm due to negligence.
     
  24. Chelydra Devour them all.

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    What's that you say? I can't hear you over the sound of your excuses and xenophobia. :zaru

    I like how you seem to be under the delusion that illegal immigration has not been a severe strain on the economy, and taking already limited financial support for actual us citizens and legal immigrants. Our social welfare programs are already overburdened.
     
  25. Zenith L'osservatore

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    And that's what has been happening so far, but guess what happens then? The moment they land they scatter across the land and start moving north, further deep into the mainland. To prevent this from happening you need to stop from landing altogether.

    What I find inhumane is how these people are willing to throw their lives away by sailing on a makeshift boat with such a high probability of not making it to the other side... it's ridiculous.

    Want to have a shot at a better life? Get a plane! And no, they do have money for a ticket considering how much they pay to the human traffickers to sail. I have friends who work in Lampedusa and are familiar with the whole shebang and the sums these people pay are in the range of €2000 - 10000... so yeah, that's plenty money to get on a plane. With how socialist and benefit-friendly Europe is, they can properly sort themselves out by getting in legally in the first place.
     
  26. Chelydra Devour them all.

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    And in the same breath you lambast the US for doing the same thing. That European hypocrisy at it's finest. These are the exact same sentiments Americans have.
     
  27. Zenith L'osservatore

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    You're dishonestly trying to equate the two. Do you have anything like Lampedusa in the US? Please do show me evidence and I'll gladly retract.
     
  28. wibisana still newbie

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    Wtf. Kids do no wrong
    Parents bring kid not to exploit them but because they loves them so much. Irresponsible parent would go to US alone, remarry or just rape somebody just as Trump said.

    If I desperate enough to flee to Malaysia i would bring my daughter with me, because i want the best for her. Not to exploit her.
     
  29. Roman Chariot

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    You're trying to do the same thing without having a good reason to tho. The US is facing many economic problems perhaps, but I doubt a great many of them are due to an overabundance of illegal migrants which you're made to take in by a decree imposed on you by a different nation. And whatever problems are caused by illegal migrants, I'd say they're so infinitesimal that they hardly even put a dent on the US economy. Your situation just has no reason to be comparable to Italy's.
     
  30. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    Well glad to see someone from Italy itself confirming it's just as I thought.

    And yes, Europe can't be expected to let in an unlimited amount of illegal economic migrants. But I bet people are going to turn this into a sob story about how evil Italy's new "fascist" Goverment is.
     
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