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Italy's Matteo Salvini says 'little ethnic shops' should close by 9pm

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  1. Saishin Hajimemashite

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    Italy’s far-right interior minister has come under fire for a proposal that would force what he calls “little ethnic shops” to close by 9pm.

    Matteo Salvini added the measure to his , arguing late-night grocery stores, mostly run by foreigners, are “a meeting place for drug deals and people who raise hell”.

    He claimed the initiative was not specifically aimed at foreigners and was merely a way to “limit the abuses of certain shops”.

    Thousands of grocery stores across are run by immigrants, mainly people from Bangladesh and India, many of whom bought premises for a low price during the financial crisis.

    Mauro Bussoni, the general secretary of Confesercenti, a retail association, said: “You can’t make a law that discriminates some entrepreneurs over others.

    “Those who have a commercial activity have rights and duties: the duty to respect rules and the right to remain open, whether the activity is managed by a foreigner or an Italian.”

    Carlo Rienzi, the president of Codacons, a consumer association, said it was unfair to “generalise”, while noting shops that stayed open late were essential for people seeking “last-minute” purchases. But he agreed there should be a clampdown on outlets that have “created disorder” or “degraded” historical town centres.

    Andrea Marcucci, a politician from the centre-left Democratic party, said imposing curfews was among the premises of “a regime”.

    If the proposal became law, an industry source said, it should also apply to Italian-owned outlets, including bars, while security measures must also extend to foreign business owners.

    “Some say that Italian people go into their shop late at night and try to extort money from them,” said the source. “But they are too afraid to report such incidents to the police.”

    Salvini’s security decree, unveiled in September, includes plans to for immigrants and make it easier for them to be deported.

    On Thursday, he reiterated a plan to hire 10,000 more police officers, an initiative funded by money that previously paid for migrant reception and integration projects. Parliament has until mid-November to debate and modify the decree before it becomes law.

    Salvini’s latest proposal comes after Luigi Di Maio, his coalition partner, said measures would be introduced by the end of the year to limit Sunday trading in an attempt to preserve family traditions.

     
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    its not a bad idea.
     
  3. RavenSupreme Well-Known Member

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    Is there any stastistic backing up his claim?
     
  4. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Europe needs more late-night shops, not fewer.

    It's ridiculous that in Scandinavia pretty much everything closes at 6 PM. Especially if you consider the fact that office hours are 9 AM to 5 PM. So if you have a white-collar job you have a whopping one hour to do your shopping after work.

    Here in China most of everything is open until 10 PM.

    Later opening hours for "normal" businesses (not bars and the like) contributes to better public safety too, since there's likely to be a greater mix of people out and about, meaning somebody is more likely to pass by and notice if a stranger is trying to rob/rape you.
     
  5. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    Lol like Italians really care about crime or is it only a problem when Brown people are doing it?
     
  6. Mider T Oh Christmas T!

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    This guy must not do bars because those places are great for delicious food late night after drinking.
     
  7. Le Male Absolu Well-Known Member

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    The issue is not if having late night shops is good or not but the criminality that use these shop. For me closing these shop ealier won't stop crime and just deport the problem somewhere else.
     
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    Meh 10 PM is like the cutoff in Small Towns...Big Cities always some place open late at night.
     
  9. Cardboard Tube Knight Well-Known Member

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    I can’t imagine leaving work at like 1:00 AM and nothing being open but bars and clubs.
     
  10. Shark On a break..

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    Agreed. Here in Qatar almost everything is open till around midnight, sometimes later. When I went to the UK I couldn't get over how everywhere would close so early.
     
  11. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    You're from Qatar? That's cool. :)

    Can you give me an update on how the Saudis are coming along with digging their pathetically petty moat? xD

    Those guys have so much money that when they saw the Bugs Bunny Florida GIF they went "let's do that!"
     
  12. Shark On a break..

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    I'm Sudanese but I live in Qatar.

    As far as I'm concerned no significant work (if at all) has likely been started, but yeah that is incredibly petty lmao.

    What's interesting is that a lot of people predicted that the conflict wouldn't last long (and would eventually die out) but with the recent jabs taken by both countries' media regarding the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi it seems it will last for a while.
     
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  13. Mider T Oh Christmas T!

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    Didn't know you lived in Qatar. You should post in the Convo thread.
     
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    I was just thinking the same thing, but even if there were statistics to back up his belief, this isn't the appropriate way to tackle it. Rather, regulations should be put in place for all stores (not just immigrant run stores) to have security measures for making sure crimes like drug deals really are taking place around store premises and respond appropriately. Using these stats to justify targeted regulations on immigrant stores is discrimination as well.

    Believe it or not, pubs are uncommon in Italy.
     
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  15. Shark On a break..

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    Is there a lot of racism in Serie A against blacks? :hm
     
  16. Amol Chief of Wisdom

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    Whatever happened to capitalism ?
    Dude is straight up discriminating against brown people by making them close their shops and allowing white people to do their business.
    Racist much?
     
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    Pretty idiotic tbh, yeah.
     
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    the objective here is to reduce crime.
     
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  19. Aduro Definitely not a villain.

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    If your problem is purely to reduce crime or improve society. You don't try to pick people out by ethnicity. If Italy wanted to do this kind of thing, they should have stuck with the Nazis in WW2.

    A lot of politicians would do this kind of implicitly. But Salvini has kept it cut and dry, he blames people who are from other countries so he's targeting them exclusively. It would be much more difficult to justify stop and search abuses if Nixon had been honest in the first place about using the 'war on drugs' to attack black people. I almost wish more politicians would be so open about being racist so that we could call them out this easily.
     
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  20. Undertaker elect the dead

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    Are there any 24-h shops?
     
  21. Takano-san Doroshī no yūjin

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    How very anti capitalist. :drake
     
  22. Saishin Hajimemashite

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    Well Italy's football championship showed that some of its black players received racial slurs
    The critics say that indeed this is a racist rule that back to the racial nazi laws
     
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