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It's Revolutionaries - Cipher Pol

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Samehadaman, May 11, 2018.

  1. Samehadaman Well-Known Member

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    Anyone else starting to see that Oda is reinforcing the Revolutionaries - Cipher Pol / Tenryuubito relation, as in separate to Marines - Pirates?

    I know everyone is onboard the Akainu - Dragon thing ever since he mentioned him being the most wanted, but looking at the manga the portrayal just isn't there. Revolutionaries have no real beef with Marines, it's with the Celestial Dragons. Obviously Marines protect CD but it's still way more indirect relation than Marines - Pirates since that is the job description.While Cipher Pol is keeping the CD in power in a much more direct way.

    Akainu daydreams about magmafisting pirates and Dragon is always babbling about CD. They have not much focus on each other or meaningful interaction. I doubt the Revolutionaries have any intention of endind the Marines as a pirate-fighting force, even if they win and take over, it's the CD they want overthrown. Marines are police, they are corrupted by extremism and absolute justice but as an institution they are necessary. Even Luffy supports Marines as the good guys.

    Can't think of any scene where Marines fough Revolutionaries except Sabo vs Fujitora where he was on personal business and they were pretty much in love with each other anyways. Infact on this very chapter the Revolutionaries even did exactly the same the Marines were trying to after they were defeated, protect these civilians from pirates.

    When Revolutionary HQ was discovered, CP0 was sent, not Marines. Hell the Revolutionaries have a stronger beef with Blackbeard Pirates than with Marines.
    Twice already they fought for real, and Blackbeard was shown to be aiming for Revolutionaries even before finding Baltigo from what Burgess said.

    This is even more obvious now when people are so underwhelmed at the commanders because people are making that Marine comparison.
    Akainu's backup is Kizaru, Fujitora and Greenbull, with reserves like Sengoku and Garp... Yeah these commander guys aren't doing that. But it's not so shocking if that's not what they are meaning to do in the first place.

    Honestly I'd start seeing more as Kong and CP0 in the endgame future of the Revolutionaries, even if there is an occasional clash with Marines.
    Akainu is a pirate's bane, the Revolutionaries would much rather go around him than through him.
     
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  2. Shiba D. Inu #admiralgang

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    good analysis, I agree
     
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    It actually makes sense that the RA want to go after the CD instead of the Marines. The Marines have to take orders from the CD, so Dragon's intention is to defeat the evil by its roots.
     
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    Akainu, as the strongest marine, is booked to fight EoS Luffy - the strongest pirate

    the 2 strongest of the 2 greatest forces in the world


    Dragon can fight any of the following:
    - CP0 leader (a top-tier perhaps)
    - maybe multiple CP0 agents at once
    - Kong
    - GOrosei ?
     
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    Yeah I wouldn't object for Kong vs Dragon.

    Btw, I bet we'll see some Stussy vs Belo now that both sides have an elite female fighter.
     
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    Dragon fodderized Smoker.
     
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    Much like Sabo, it was on personal business and there's no bad blood between them.
     
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    This is the thread I tried to make but didn't have literacy to succinctly articulate. Now I know how Kishi felt whenever Oda succeeded :gglife
     
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    I see it. Yeah that makes sense. The Revolutionaries don't have the military force to challenge the Marines, and the Marines aren't actually enemies anyway. The system of oppression originates from the Celestial Dragons, the Marines are just a tool. Bypass the tool and attack the source.

    That makes perfect sense. So the next question is, how do they bypass the Marines to attack The Reverie? What's their stealth, what's their in?
     
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    Vegapunk and the Pacifista's as well as the Kingdoms in the Reverie that are actually on their side.
     
  12. Jake CENA BAH GAWD KING, IT'S JAKE CENA!!

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    Dragon looks confident that he could take on the combined might of the Celestial Dragons, Cipher Pol and the Marines. :bury
     
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    Dragon meeting Garp at the Reverie :obamabury
     
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    I concur, though it almost seems too good to be true.
     
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    Possible Coby vs Sabo :heckk
     
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  16. Samehadaman Well-Known Member

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    Possible Smoker being humiliated again as usual :heckk

    Hope the poor guy isn't on guard duty.
     
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    You really trying to see another brother do this to coby :tupac

     
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    Coby will get a Luffy vs Katakuri boost through out the fight.

    I consider Coby the honorary 4th brother tbh.
     
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    I like that. I like it a lot. But I don't think Koby is ready just yet.

    Shouldn't Smoker be hanging with Vegapunk right now?

    Meaning Luffy isn't the baby anymore.
     
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    That being said even while short lived this was one of the baddest fights in the entire series and is rightfully my avatar.

    Even if Dragon doesn't end laying a finger on the Marines for the rest of OP I can't imagine the same for Sabo. He's going to come back for Fujitora or perhaps fight Green Bull one on one.
     
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    Have you read/watched Harry Potter? If so do you remember in Half Blood Prince when the Death Eaters used the Vanishing Cabinet to transport themselves from Borgin and Burkes to Hogwarts? The night of Dumbledore's death?

    Lindbergh has created something similar and given one of the two devices to Vegapunk, this is how they secretly communicate and Vegapunk will be on standby waiting for the revs to come in.

    Then all hell breaks loose :datass
     
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    Marines were sent as backup for CP when they attacked the Revo HQ.

    While I agree that its CP's job to deal with the Revo's then I highly doubt the Marines would stand around and do nothing if the CP was fighting.
     
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    Not a Harry Potter fan, but I understand the reference. Consider if Lindbergh was on Vegapunk's team as well, they could be working on two ends of the same project.

    \

    All things being equal, I would agree. However, things are not equal. Jurisdictions are interesting, especially when the CP-0 operates purely on the authority of the Tenryubito. The idea that the Cipher Pol would Bogard the Marines out of the fight, if for no other reason than wanting the credit for bringing in Dragon, isn't actually farfetched.
     
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    The Revos would get destroyed if they ever faced the marines.

    Akainu alongside the 3 Admirals would be more than enough to utterly decimate them. So yeah this is another reason that Oda is building the RA as completely opposing the CP-0 and the CD
     
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    I thought both were sent?
     
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    They were

     
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    I was trying to be nice to the OP and not include the scan. :blobcoffee
     
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    Well, yeah. :blobglare
     
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    Kong VS Dragon.
    Sabo VS CPO Leader.

    RA will fight against CP & Luffy's force will fight against marine.This is how I see EoS fight match-up going.
     
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    Gotta factor in Shanks and Basedbeard too
     
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