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Jinbei vs Cracker

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Corax, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. Corax

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    Ok to make this interesting Jinbei can't use water here. But still he has top haki (blocked BM without any damage) and strong attacks (KO Wadatsumi and pushed away BM). So can he beat Cracker without his main weapon (in his case water techniques)?
     
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    Jinbe gets that ass worked without water
     
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    Jinbe stands no chance without water. He'd be overwhelmed quickly.

    Cracker low diff.
     
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    FK uses the water in the air/body iirc.

    So if that is restricted aswell, buscuit gangbang becomes a thing.
     
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    Depends on whether Jinbe can figure out which clone Cracker is in and close the gap.
     
  6. PwnGoatVSPandaman

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    Cracker is still vastly faster + has much stronger buso.

    Biscuit soldiers are individually g3 luffy leveled.
     
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    Cracker wins mid diff. High at worst.
     
  8. J★J♥

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    Thats like.. all he does tho. Whats next Kaidou vs Buggy but kaidou does not exist ?
     
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    It would be much closer than most people here think, it could go either way IMO. Jinbe blocked Big Moms cognac do you see someone like Cracker doing that? The only thing Cracker has here going for him is his huge supply of hard biscuits that can maybe stop Jinbe from pushing him, but its not too easy for him to get Jinbe either.
     
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    Cracker low diffs. Much closer fight if they fought near water but Cracker should still win.
     
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    There's no reason to think Cracker is vastly faster. He has feats keeping up with G2 and surprising Luffy in G4, whereas Jimbei based on pre and post-TS feats is implied to be at least as fast as G2.

    As for haki, when has Cracker's haki stood up to attacks from Yonkirals?
     
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    I'd say If Jinbei has a source of water he definitely wins, if not i'm almost certain he loses. :nod:nod
     
  13. PwnGoatVSPandaman

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    Overall it's powerscale.

    Cracker > Luffy who fought Cracker (pre kenbunshoku boost) > Dressrosa Luffy > Doflamingo > Others > Jinbei

    Cracker has stronger buso than g4 luffy + he creates armies of g3 luffy leveled characters, who can hang with jinbei individually pretty much.
     
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    Powerscaling only leads to conclusions about how a character would perform overall against any other character, so it cannot support arguments that a character is better than another character at a specific thing. Just Big Mom is stronger than Katakuri, we don't say she has better observation haki. So even if you could argue by powerscaling that Cracker > Jimbei it does not mean his speed or haki is superior.

    Also, not much reason to agree with your ordering of strength there...

    There is no room for arguing from 1) Cracker > Luffy and 2) Luffy > Jimbei to 3) Cracker > Jimbei because there is no reason to think the second premise is true.

    Jimbei's haki has withstood attacks cutting attacks from a Yonkou.
    G4 Luffy's haki has not withstood cutting attacks from Cracker.

    Do you see the issue?
     
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    But yeah, Jinbei's speed isn't impressive based on g2 showings, cracker is vastly faster than g2. Heck, cracker when he was stationary in his original biscuit soldier shat on g2/g3 and that was more or less one hit by g4. Then Cracker overpowered g4 luffy easily once he left and was nailing him. So yeah, cracker is much faster.

    Wait are you trying to argue that Jinbei is as strong as Luffy? Sorry but that's just false.

    Anyway Cracker cutting g4 luffy is better than jinbei replicating what chopper did previously with his buso, especially since he is mainly a character who remains stoic in great pain, like when akainu attacked him. Big Mom also was heavily nerfed.
     
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    If you reread, I'm arguing that Jimbei's haki has better feats than Luffy's haki. That's not an argument that Jinbei is as strong or stronger than Luffy, but that his haki is better by its showings. Remove your powerscaling glasses and give credit where credit is due.

    That is the stock response, hand-waving the problem away.
    Big Mom was arguably nerfed, yes, but did her attacks stop being (presumably massively) superior to Cracker's? There is no reason to think so.

    What are you trying to do here? Score some rhetorical points? Do we need to argue about whether the attack that Chopper intercepted was nothing like Cognac?
     
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    Except luffy's buso is >>>>>> JInbei's, especially his g4 buso. There is absolutely nothing pointing out that jinbei's buso is better than luffy's, he's clearly a buso specialist but like zoro, has weaker buso than luffy's, let alone g4 buso.

    Also yes it does make her buso weaker than cracker, if chopper can repel, then it's trash. Or do you think chopper > g4 luffy.
     
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