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Jiraiya and Itachi vs Pein!!

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Hi no Ishi, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. Hi no Ishi Well-Known Member

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    Location 4th division battlefield
    50M distance
    No Knowledge
    Killing Intent but in character

    Fight!!
     
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    They win high to extreme difficulty, one of them might die as well. They're gonna waste a lot of energy on discovering the paths' abilities.

    Itachi takes the lead and they win.
     
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    Itachi can discover Peins abilities through risk and if it gets too far and he almost dies he can use Izangi. Once Itachi discovers Pein's abilities Jiraiya can take it from there and kill Pein with Itachi as backup. High Diff.
     
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    Duo probably still loses
     
  5. ARGUS The conqueror

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    CT one shots

    Otherwise pein obviously loses
     
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  6. Maverick04 Out of touch

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    No knowledge and a non escape friendly location..Yea Jman is gonna be pretty obsolete here..And even if he gets into SM, I dont think both him and Itachi can destroy CT with their jutsus so Pain wins by default..Duo win if they can beat the paths before CT..Even if CT happens, Itachi could Izanagi maybe and go for the Kill..thats really the only way the duo win after CT
     
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    YT could destroy the orb. I think it's mid diff at best.
     
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    That team wins that match up in my opinion because Jiraiya is capable of matching up on par with the paths version of Nagato individually and while I think that a good argument can be made for Itachi's character being superior that's unnecessary because his character is teaming up with a character on par with the paths version of Nagato. :p
     
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  9. wooly Eullerex BTW, Izanagi is a ninjutsu; chidori is a nin-taijutsu

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    it takes at minimum, three hi kage level to beat pein, more like four.

    one of these two just gets fodderized from the start w/o plot nerfs by a deva combo & then...
     
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    Either Itachi helps stall long enough for Frog Song to get off or they'd get overwhelmed after taking out a few paths
     
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    Without Izanagi(an gathering intel about Pain), I don't see team winning this match-up. I think that they would win 5.5/10 times. They would need a lot of luck to destroy Naraka Path without an info.(it would stop restoration of the others Paths). If they don't do this, Pain will have much bigger chance to win. If they get intel, Itachi will lose Susanoo and have to rely on Ama.
    Pain wins high difficulty, while team extreme high diffs.
     
  12. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Literally a BT + Paths ends this.

    SM Naruto, who was stronger than these 2, couldn't do anything against a strong BT. KCM Naruto, who is even stronger had to use a chakra arm which barely takes any concentration to do something about it... which is beyond what Jiraiya and Itachi can replicate.

    Killing intent and no knowledge. Pain is likely to opt for the quick kill when all Paths are together.

    This closer match some posters want is only remotely possible if you exclude Deva Path. If Deva is included, well, all Paths will always stomp these two.
     
  13. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    While it's true, Bansho-Tenin is quite the weapon to overcome, it should be noted that he(Itachi) cannonically evaded Shinra-Tensei, which is portrayed to be it's speed-equal.

    It's weakness is it's a one-sided force unlike it's counter-part, which lead's me to believe he can more than just evade it, plus initiate his counter attack in the 5 second time-period.

    It's likely, that YM(Yasaka Magatama) can subdue the orb, or TB(Totsuka's Blade) can subdue it, by sealing it's contents.

    I doubt, ST'd work effectively on the YT, which cannonically deflected the Kusanagi's Blade, which is hyped to pierce through any substance, and has cannonically proved it's hype when it pierced Rinnegan Jīnchuuuriki-Madara.

    It likely, Mirror's the attack(ST) to the owner, i.e, Devā Path, and might catch the rest of The Paths, if they stay closer to each other, enabling Jiraiya a chance to bath them with Goemon, or initiate the Frog-Call/Frog Song, which he has no actual defense to, cannonically.
     
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    Let’s look at what the manga portrayed Jiraiya was in fact a very dangerous opponent for Pain , Naruto with Sage Mode was a very dangerous opponent for Pain but the Deva’s prowess is what really separates him from the Sage users but adding in Itachi’s overall effectivess and cunning into the mix tips the balance in SM favor , people always cite the Nagato vs Bee, Itachi , Naruto but fail to mention Naruto never used SM against Nagato , he used Kurama chakra as well as Bee which was absorbed by Nagato That was playing right into his hands but SM Jiraiya and Naruto fought Pain much more effectively so with that said SM/MS duo definitely win this mid diff
     
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    I’d still favor Pain but he’s definitely losing some paths in the process of winning here.
     
  16. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Canonically Itachi got turned to dust; living Itachi would have died.
     
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  17. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    When? Do you have the panel?

    BTW, Nagato, got turned into utter stale-dust, by TB. You can check it. He, slowly turned, gradually into dust, after TB, sucked his soul, out. It's there in the Manga. I think you confused scans. Look properly next time.
     
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    CT likely ends it. Jiraiya doesn't seem to have a super strong long range attack thats comparable to narutos/bee's to assist Itachi in destroying the core. and the only reason they attacked the core was bcuz Naruto gave itachi info about CT. In this scenario, OP states no knowledge.
    Pain wins
     
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    They need to win before CT. They don't have the firepower to break it.
     
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    Pain will not even use CT, for that he must get close to his real body and be killed in the process.
     
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    Jiraiya or Itachi individually are a serious problem for Pein, the two together defeat him mid diff.
     
  22. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    That's why Kabuto was waiting for Itachi, he was reforming. Of course, I don't see why the dude who pulled the "tanked" feat from his ass thinks he's in a position to ask for evidence. :hmm

    I'm sure Totsuka did a excellent job not being absorbed by an Edo programmed not to react/attack other Edos. Ironic as you're talking about looking at scans properly. :urahaha
     
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    Lol, I suggest you stop pulling stuff out of your, ass and actually read what I said in my post. Where the hell did I say "tanked"? Quote me on that. Instead of wasting my time. I got other things to do.
    Lol, with the weirdass emoticons again huh? I'm wondering if you're joking about the Edo-Part. "Programmed" "not to react/attack", lmao. Former buzz-word wasn't necessary since whatever you wanted to say, had been said in the second. I was right when I said look properly. I should've said READ properly, as it has come to this. Edo arent even programmed not to react/attack. Him being controlled had nothing to do with him not reacting, it aided him better than his real-self, actually. I doubt he had such reflexes with No-Kabuto. He really doesnt likely. That isnt a reflex/react feat he would capably be enable of doing, merit-wise, if judged. He went stronger, likely, than his alive-self, when controlled as Kabuto, likely.
     
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    Your post consisted of made up information. In fact this post indicated that you outright didn't read the manga. Did you read the remarks the Edos said to each other? :lmao Kabuto lost control when Totsuka hit. Was this forgotten too?
     
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    This is Ironic. You're the one claiming Edos are programmed not to "react" lmao yet I'm the one denying canon. Ironic truly.

    Edo never said they cant react, which you made up, they said they cant initiate the fight, they can defend themself, only.

    What of before the TB struck him. Where was his superior reaction when Itachi sliced him(his arm). Nowhere right.
     
  26. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    You should just read the manga before embarrassing yourself further. You're not the first Itachi fan to ignore chunks of the manga.
     
  27. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    You're the only one ignoring the Manga here. This was what a neutral edo looked acted felt or appeared like. They are in auto pilot mode. Kabuto occassionally give edos free will to exploit the emotional advantage(of fighting thier loved ones.)

    Mentally manipulating an edo decreasing thier mental reaction(which itachi overpowered) is just fanfic you made up. If anything his reaction foot reflex speeds increased when controlled personally directly by edo's master(Kabuto.)
     
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    Now try not to skip the page where Gangetsu said he couldn't attack Mu despite trying to.
     
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    Because they cannot battle other edos. Got nothing to do with the fact Nagato was personally privately overwatched by the controller, Kabuto which ensures maximum utilisation of powers(of Nagato.) Hence his speed was not decreased.
     
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    There you go! They cannot battle other Edos. Nagato without Kabuto's control could not, nor wanted to, battle Itachi. Ergo, Totsuka wouldn't be absorbed or repelled.

    Kabuto controlling Nagato is a different story, but once Nagato was hit with Totsuka, Kabuto lost control. As stated before, in that scenario, Nagato was programmed not to react to Itachi's attach, nor would he want to.

    ITT Nagato/Pain will be reacting to Itachi's attacks.
     
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