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Jiraiya in Itachi's place against Hebi Sasuke

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shark, Mar 16, 2019.

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  1. Jiraiya outperforms Itachi

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  2. Jiraiya is outperformed by Itachi

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  3. Jiraiya (more or less) replicates itachi's performance

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  1. Shark 鮫仙

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    Mindset: Jiraiya is holding back just as much as Itachi was, his objective is to tire Sasuke out of chakra so that Orochimaru will come out so he can defeat him. Sasuke's objective is to kill Jiraiya.
    Knowledge: Sasuke has as much knowledge on Jiraiya as he did on Itachi (he knew about Itachi's genjutsu, Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu but not Susano'o. So however you translate that into Jiraiya's arsenal), Jiraiya has as much knowledge on Sasuke as Itachi did (alternatively; if you believe manga knowledge is more fair since some characters should be able to benefit from their experience then consider it the knowledge stipulation instead).
    Location: Uchiha hideout.

    Jiraiya starts in base.

    :hmm
     
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  2. X III Los Lobos

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    Jiraiya dies. :approved
     
  3. Ishmael Star shopping

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    Let's say jiraiya does push Hebi to exhaustion, which he doesn't have the tools that itachi used to do so but oh well.

    Even if he does Kirin definitely kills him.

    Alright check this out, Jiraiya isn't dealing with hydra so he fails, just like he has in the past and dies.
     
  4. DoctorDoom6789 Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya could be going all out trying to kill Hebi Sasuke and he would still lose. Kirin GG. It takes too long for Jiraiya to go into SM.
     
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  5. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Why does Jiraiya start in base when Itachi has extensive time for prep?
     
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  6. JuicyG Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya does better or similarly
     
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  7. King1 Yare Yare

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    Jiraiya ain’t beating Hebi Sasuke while he is holding back
     
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  8. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Sage Mode Jiraiya could outperform sick Itachi, but base Jiraiya dies
     
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  9. Bonly Genjutsu Master

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    Jiraiya does worst and wouldn't be able to pull off what Itachi could do because he'd lose to Orochi once he pops out unlike Itachi so yeah
     
  10. UchihaX28 U̶c̶h̶i̶h̶a̶W̶a̶n̶k̶e̶r̶

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    Jiraiya would lose. Forcing Sasuke to the point where he's out of chaka will lead Jiraiya into Kirin which Jiraiya has no counter for. Even if Kirin doesn't happen, chakra depletion is going to force Orochimaru to be released and Jiraiya isn't defeating Orochimaru at his best especially with notable stamina drain.
     
  11. Batzzaro29 Well-Known Member

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    Do you people realize that Kirin only happened due to Amaterasu right?

    And we don't know how powerful Kirin is w/o it.

    Jiraya will only lose to Hydra cause he lacks asspull power ups of Itachi.
     
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    If Jiraiya starts in Base he loses to Sasuke while holding back, but if he starts in SM he clears.
     
  13. UchihaX28 U̶c̶h̶i̶h̶a̶W̶a̶n̶k̶e̶r̶

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    Databook confirms that it can be used without Amaterasu and it's . It definitely would be killing him with or without Amaterasu.
     
  14. Batzzaro29 Well-Known Member

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    Fuck databook.

    It ain't happening until it happens on panel.

    Even if its possible without Amaterasu, we still don't know how strong it is without it, consedring he never used it after his fight with Itachi, its probably weaker then his other lightning techniques.
     
  15. UchihaX28 U̶c̶h̶i̶h̶a̶W̶a̶n̶k̶e̶r̶

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    So Indra Arrow can't kill somebody unless it happens on panel. :mikebatman

    A trump card is suddenly weaker than all of his jutsu. :mikebatman

    A man with a red bar is trying to convince a skilled debater like me that his argument is valid and that a book created by the author doesn't count. :mikebatman

    You certainly have convinced me. :lbj
     
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  16. Batzzaro29 Well-Known Member

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    Indra arrow actually happened on panel.

    Kirin w/o Amaterasu did not.

    if non Amaterasu enhenced Kirin is still so strong then why Sasuke did not used it after Itachi fight? Simple question for so called skilled debater.

    :hestonpls
    Yeah, so skilled you're being here.

    Using databook where same man wrote bs like haku being light speed, Hebi godly speed, Amaterasu being hot as sun... Just to name a few.

    Also Red bar =\= skill.
     
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  17. UchihaX28 U̶c̶h̶i̶h̶a̶W̶a̶n̶k̶e̶r̶

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    This is why I'm not debating with you seriously. Not only did you fail to miss the point when I called you out on the "no on panel feats, doesn't count" bullshit, but you blatantly ignored a statement explicitly shown in the manga of how Kirin is a technique that exceeds the level of jutsu that can naturally be produced by any shinobi as well as blatantly ignoring the Databook. At that point, if you're going to blatantly ignore statements from both sources from the author, there's really no room for discussion.
     
  18. WorldsStrongest Son of the Sun God

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    Jiraiya gets decimated.

    Base Jiraiya cant sandbag against Hebi Sasuke and win...Hed get bent the fuck over unbelievably quickly. Because Base Jiraiya going for the kill against Hebi Sasuke isnt gonna take the W 10/10 times...Hebi is a TERRIBLE matchup for him.

    Hed also never GET into SM against Sasuke...Id say at bare minimum, translating the plethora of knowledge Sasuek had on Itachis arsenal to knowledge on jiraiyas would AT LEAST let Hebi know about SM prep and that he needs to stop it...Which means Jiraiya never gets into the mode. Hebi contesting jiraiyas SM prep means g fucking g for Sm prep.

    Jiraiya, even if he was to start in SM, also dies to Kirin at absolute worst.

    Jiraiya also isnt capable of beating orochimaru even IF you believe that he can take Sasuke to the edge and beat Kirin which he cannot do

    Jiraiya < Itachi...Flat out...The old man is a better match for the 3T little bro than he is the older MS bro. People need to get with the times and realize its not fucking 2009 anymore.
     
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    Statements =/= feat.

    Especially when said statement came out of databook.

    They can call normal Kirin whatever they want but thing is we still don't know what it can do feat wise, we don't know how powerful it is w/o Amaterasu.

    And saying it will kill Jiraya when Sasuke never used a normal Kirin against any of his enemy is idiocy.

    By all means Chidori > non Amaterasu Kirin.

    Also in databook Sasuke has godtier speed.
     
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  20. Ishmael Star shopping

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    We need a sad or cute rating man..
    Our ratings don't fit some of the arguments here.

    Switch kage and coolest guy out for those.
     
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    Kirin isn't happening in this scenario without amaterasu to accelerate the process.

    Yes Sasuke can execute Kirin without amaterasu, but obviously it wouldn't happen as quickly.
     
  22. Shark 鮫仙

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    Extensive time for prep? :hm
     
  23. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya does better. He has much more chakra than itachi & Sasuke, so tiring him out will not be such a big deal. :catshrug
     
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    Yeah I mean even if we generously assume that Jiraiya can push Sasuke to chakra exhaustion he can't deal with Kirin or Yamata no Orochi. That's as far as he gets.
    But honestly, I don't see him getting there in the first place. Sasuke'll kill him during the early pressure unless he starts in SM. And assuming he activates SM then his best bet at stopping Sasuke is frog song and that ends the fight in Jiraiya's favor.

    How did Sasuke create Kirin then ?
     
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    If SM comes to play, Sasuke will get fodderstomped like a cockroach. :lmao
     
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    Another L for Butthurto29.

    OP, Jiraiay gets trashed, Hebi Sasuke can also use genjutsu right of the bat. Solo stare, bodlflciker chidori katana follow up equals GG.

    If he manages to go SM then he he takes an L but not as fast.
     
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    Can Hebi Sasuke even get out of Toad Stomach? Clearly his regular elements aren't going to do it.
     
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    Can Jiraiya even trap him in one?
     
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    SM Jiraiya can beat Hebi Sasuke the problem is if he needs to exhaust him he will ultimately have to face Kirin with no knowledge which I don’t believe he can survive.
     
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    Sure, why not. It's pretty fast, just a summon.
     
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