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Jiraiya vs Konoha (without Tsunade)

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by vagnard, Aug 8, 2005.

Jiraiya vs Konoha

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  1. vagnard Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya vs Konoha (without Tsunade)

    This battle take place post-timeskip

    Jiraiya can use Gamabunta.

    Konoha has:

    -Clans: Akimichi, Aburame, Hyuuga, Nara, Inuzuka, Yamanaka, etc..

    -Elite jounins and teachers: Kakashi, Kurenai, Asuma, Gai, etc

    -Medic Ninjas

    -Any kind of summon (like Kakashi's dogs)

    -New rookie 9 (except Sasuke) and team gai

    -All jounins, chunnins, genins and academy students of the village.

    -Secret scrolls?

    Deidara and Sasori invaded Suna and only because Gaara they didn't destroyed the village. Can Jiraiya do this great feat but this time with Konoha without Tsunade?
     
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  2. lekki Specialist

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    Jiraiya wins.
    If they couldn't stop that 3 headed snake, they won't do much better against giant, fire breathing frogs:(
     
  3. Kyuubi Naruto Hounds of Justice

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    Jiraiya's summons can take out the Genin and most of the Chuunins. Dont forget that Jiraiya is incredibly strong. Also his Yomi Numa can pretty much take out most of the village as they sink in the swamp.

    We havent even seen what Jiraiya is fully capable of. His main problem would be Kakashi, Asuma, Gai and Kurenai but Im highly certain he can take them out.
     
  4. Substance Sexual Eruption...Lawl.

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    Ditto Jiraiya would win.
     
  5. Hatsune Miku Ievan Polkka

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    I doubt jiraiya would win. Konoha has alot of the best ninjas around and jiraiya's only by himself unless naruto joins his side. Which i doubt would even happen. Dude, Konoha would prolly win.:tem
     
  6. Rokudaime Active Member

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    I doubt Konoha have the power to defeat Jiraiya because those Jounin cannot even do anything against 3 Headed Snake by themselves.
    Jiraiya with Gamabunta can easily fried everything that existed in Konoha..
     
  7. Yavanna Hyuuga Clan

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    i agree, jiraiya>>>>>>konoha.
     
  8. Hatsune Miku Ievan Polkka

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    I know Jiraiya is a sennin, but you have other jounin's like Kakashi, Asuma, Kurenai, etc. and the ANBU up against Jiraiya. I think konoha might win but the odds are heavy though...
     
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    Naruto could summon an equal sized frog and he's on Konoha's side, right? Jiraiya loses this.
     
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  10. Kyuubi Naruto Hounds of Justice

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    Naruto has trouble with it and also Jiraiya will be using Gamabunta and possibly another frog. Its not like the frogs will listen to Naruto anyway. Jiraiya will turn them to his side and it would be over.
     
  11. HimuraBattousai Hitokiri

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    I frankly don't think Jiraiya has a shot in hell. I didn't realize this is how highly rated you people rate the sannins.

    I am just going to start by listing the people important to bringing down Jiraiya:

    Naruto: Chakra powerhouse. With an abundance of chakra, unyeilding determination and high ranked jutsus, Naruto won't go down without making 1000s of bunshins and rasengans all over the place. He has been training with Jiraiya for three years. He'll have learned much. Can probably summon large frogs that aren't Bunta. Remains to be seen, so I am saying probably.

    Kakashi: Konoha's #1 technician, great strategizing, and the ability to copy jutsus. His father had respect along the level of the legendary sannin. He has trained for three years and we are about to see what he can do. He has an assassination technique that will kill if it lands, simple and true. He also has long range support jutsus. Over 1000 techniques at his disposal.

    Gai and Rock Lee: Gates? I want to see Jiraiya do something about 2 gate openers flying at him at ridiculous speed while THE REST OF KONOHA is attacking him. In all other threads, Gai supporters simply believe he can dodge everything because he is fast. What happens when 7 gates are opened against Jiraiya?

    The whole hyuuga family: One hit from any of them will alter chakra flow and mess up Jiraiya's ability to perform jutsu. He hasn't shown us any ability in taijutsu yet. So, a hit from jyuuken is critical. Hyuuga Hiashi or Neji can be crippling especially. Byaakugan will help see attacks while they charge him. And with one hit of Jyuuken, Neji poofed a summon. Apparently summons have chakra flowing though them, and that can be damaged as well. Poof goes Bunta.

    The whole Inuzuka family: Brawlers. Just an abundance of close range fighters. Each dog is an additional beast Jiraiya has to worry about.

    The Akimichi Family: Can grow in size until they can fight Bunta head to head.

    Nara Shikamaru: What battle plans can Mr.Shikamaru come up with if he has ALL OF KONOHA at his disposal? PLEASE. J-man has no hope.

    Aburame clan: Chakra bugs in conjunction with cool headed tactics anyone?

    Yamanaka family: What happens if they decide to do something like Mind/Body switch with Gamabunta? Not proven, but not out of the question either.

    All the medics in Konoha along with Sakura healing ANYONE who is injured?

    Kurenai + Asuma + Anko + TenTen doing whatever they think is necessary?

    All the anbu members in Konoha headed by the anbu leader?

    Swamp of the Underworld? You think everyone is just going to stand there while the ground sinks under them? They won't maybe..... jump? He can get all of them like this, because they won't surround him or anything considering its a whole city of ninjas?

    Sorry, but Shikamaru is a key component. His main problem is he never has enough resources to work with and fights stronger opponents. Imagining Shikamaru with the whole entire village as his resources. He'd checkmate Jiraiya and he would do it quickly, considering he probably has close to every jutsu in Konoha at his disposal.

    I think people forget what a tactical advantage Konoha has when they are stacked up with geniuses that will eventually be the next generation's strongest ninjas.
     
  12. Hatsune Miku Ievan Polkka

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    glad you agreed that konoha would win.
     
  13. Kyuubi Naruto Hounds of Justice

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    Few questions.

    Is this post timeskip?
    Can Gai and Lee open the gates?
    Any limitations?

    If so then its going to be easier then it looks because Gai can open all 8 gates and kill Jiraiya.
     
  14. Anthriel 日本語の学生

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    People believe Tsunade would lose against a couple of Jounin and Chuunin, but at the same time believe that Jirayia could defeat all of Konoha. I smell bias.
    Before the Timeskip, Jirayia still had the advantage of summons, but now, Naruto has most likely learned to use Kuchiyose properly, so he can summon one frog for every frog Jirayia summons. It's unsure who would get Gamabunta and if he would even fight against Konoha, as Jirayia doesn't really control him, so I'll leave him out of the fight.
    That means it's down to Jirayia without summons against Konoha without Naruto. (And that's assuming Naruto concentrates on summoning to completely nullify Jirayia's advantage)
    Now, Jirayia doesn't only have to deal with multiple elite Jounin, he also has to deal with tons of instant death jutsu. If one Kagemane, or one Shinranshin no Jutsu gets him, he is dead. With the whole Nara clan teaming up, you can just imagine how big their shadow would get. But Jirayia wouldn't notice that anyway, as he would have tons of taijutsu specialists on him, at least two of them on elite Jounin level.
    Jirayia is dead meat.
     
  15. SleepingDisaster I fight for what I believe in

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    konoha will call suna for back up
     
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    Jiraiya will call Orochimaru and Tsunade for backup.
     
  17. vagnard Well-Known Member

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    One question....Do you all believe that Gamabunta is an automatic win?...

    Then do you think that Naruto + Gambunta pre-timeskip >>>>>>Konoha?

    Come on, Konoha isn't your average ninja village....It's the most powerful village in the world. We are not talking about 10 or 100 ninjas against Jiraiya....we are talking about thousands.....Why Tsunade is struggling with 10 kunoichis and Jiraiya is winning against the whole village?....only because Gama?.....then you could give Gamabunta to Konohamaru and let him invade the other countries....please.

    With so many ninjas....what is the problem to get behind gama and hit jiraiya with a long range jutsu or climb behind it and hit Jiraiya?. Gamabunta isn't a fly....it doesn't have eyes in its ass.

    And we don't now what another boss summons could have Konoha...or at last many summons of same hierarchy.

    About Oro's triple snake....It wasn't the whole village against it. The majority of the ninjas were busy fighting against OTHER ninjas. If one boss summon can make THAT difference then....why Oro didn't attack Konoha openly only with Manda?....He didn't know that Jiraiya has come back to the village. Why the whole "surprise attack" joining forces with Suna if Konoha is so vulnerable?.....2 villages + A Sannin couldn't defeat Konoha. Why Jiraiya alone could do it?.
     
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    If Kohonah can't stop that 3 headed snake and Jiraya can, Kohonah would loose! He will summon Loads of toads and is incredabilly strong! ( Hokage Level)!
     
  19. vagnard Well-Known Member

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    I will repeat....It's wasn't Konoha against 3 headed snake....It was a bunch of random chunnin and jounin against triple snake. The majority of the Konoha's best ninjas were busy fighting against OTHER ninjas. Oro didn't invade Konoha alone with Manda....there is a reason to invade with his whole village + Suna village....and he still lost....
     
  20. Anthriel 日本語の学生

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    I disagree. We don't even know if Jounin were fighting the snake. For all we know, it could have been a couple of Chuunin only.

    After reading some of the posts here, I don't believe anymore that Itachi is the most overrated character. Not even Last of the Uchiha claimed that he is better than a whole village.
    Congratulations, Jirayia, you have just won Itachi's title.
     
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    Jiraiya definitely can win

    why can't he?

    If Kishimoto decides to have a field day and change the manga name to 'Jiraiya'

    then of course he would be able to defeat the whole of Konoha.
     
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    i know full kyubified naruto at full kyuubi power would whipe out konoha and the bordering villages in an hour, but thats a future naruto with full controll over his jinchuuriki, as of now there dousnt exist a single chara that can defeat whole of village of konoha by himselfe. 4th might have had a chance but i doubt even he could do it, maybe an evil chara we havent met yet, future enemy after these arcs, also itachi with jinchuuriki or akat leader with jin would also whipe out konoha with lill problems, remember if itachi where to get naruto's jin he would become unbeatable. just imagine 10000's of itachis with each more power that the itachi we see now, its finished. i do hope we do get to see some akat members getting the jinchuuriki powers and using them. they have collected 2 or 3 allready but none of them have used the power on them selves yet(it stays in that summon jutsu till they get all of them, geez even a jin is powerless when put in there). it would be cool if the leader fooled everybody and put severall jinchuurikis all in himselfe.
     
  23. The 21st Hokage The Devil Of Daybreak

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    I'd give this to Jiraya after all he has Gama Oyabin and that's enough to level a small country as is.
     
  24. CrazyMoronX Old Man

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    Well Jiraiya could hide in his frog stomach to hide from 8 gate Gai, or something like that. Without his frog stomach though, Gai would kill him as Gai + 8 gates > Anyone.

    Basically, Jiraiya could summon a few giant frogs, hide in the stomach, have some sake and relax while his frogs are destroying everything. In theory.

    But without his frog stomach, he'd probably get killed by Kakashi + Gai or some other team of Elite Jounin. However, Konoha would suffer a tremendous loss.

    Since he has stomach, I'd give it to Jiraiya... with prep time.
     
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    I doubt he can. He questioned wether a village like the Sand(weak) can stop him from forcefully going in there, it sounded like he was questioning the Sand but he didnt seem to have that worry for Konoha.

    HimuraBattousai pretty much summed up everything.

    As for the 3 snakes, it was only Ibiki and possibly some chunnins trying to fight it off.
     
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    Do you guys know how big is the Waterball that Gamabunta use?And Gamabunta can spit 3 of it.I doubt that Kakashi and other Jounin can survive from Gamabunta's waterball attack.And there is no evidence that other Jounin can summon Boss-Summon..and I doubt there will be.

    Jiraiya can always use Gamabunta to attack Konoha with couple of waterball attack and flee and continue attack Konoha after every few hours...Probably with 30 Waterball,Konoha is gone.

    Or Gamabunta can just jump around Konoha village without fighting those Jounin...I doubt those Konoha Jounin have the power to chase this jumping giant frog.

    well, That is what Jiraiya with Gamabunta..if Jiraiya without Gambunta, Konoha will rape Jiraiya alive.
     
  27. vagnard Well-Known Member

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    So...then pre-timeskip Naruto could defeat all the villages with Gambunta? :eyeroll
     
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    dont rly know but if konoha had Sarutobi they would easily win :D
     
  29. Rokudaime Active Member

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    well,Pre-Timeskip Naruto >>> Any ninja without summon but Kishimoto just ban Gambunta in Rescue Arc,The Movie,Filler and etc..because it make the show uninteresting.

    Well..Naruto wont stand any chance against Konoha because his lack of jutsu to aid Gamabunta ..while Jiraiya can always spam his jutsu on Gambunta's head while Gambunta rampage the village...and Jiraiya can always protect himself from mass kunai throwing with his Defensive Jutsu...and I doubt that Naruto can protect himself from mass kunai throwing..
     
  30. vagnard Well-Known Member

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    The only aid that Jiraiya gave to Gamabunta was a katon....a very basic jutsu in Konoha. You are saying that any ninja (even Sasuke) could win with a summon against an entire village.....bad news....Oro had a summon of similar level of Gamabunta and he choiced join efforts with sand to attack with NINJAS. If one boss summon were so allpowerful why Oro didn't use Manda against Konoha?. The triple snake thing only fought against random chunin and Ibiki (a special jounin)
     
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