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Jiraiya Weaker Than Orochimaru?

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by Shikamaru0193, Oct 3, 2006.

  1. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    Hm, maybe or maybe not. but he definitely is weaker than orochimaru, "teaching-wise" i mean cmon, look at it.
    for three years, jiraiya trained naruto and oro trained sasuke.

    when naruto and sasuke meet again, sasuke easily pwned naruto. like naruto couldnt even sense him like right in front of him. he woulda been easily killed if sai didnt help him, cause hes like superfast. i bet not even yamato can help out. so i wonder, does that mean jiraiya is somewhat weaker than orochimaru?

    and another thing, i hope that jiraiya helped naruto out with his speed..he should have like leet speed like lee or sasuke

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    oh an edit: is it just me or is rasengan terrible compared to chidori. i mean chidori goes right through, killing the enemy. but rasengan it just spins him around. it doesnt even one hit kill most of the time. (example: in the fillers, mizuki and raiga), yeah sure, they were really weak, but their not DEAD! which makes a huge difference.
     
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  2. RAGING BONER Sexual Tyrannosaurus

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    as teachers go i'd say its Kakashi>Orochimaru.....yawn....burp....then MAYBE Jiriaya (who is a joke)

    If Naruto had stayed in Konoha and trained with Kakashi and gone on missions he'd be elite bijuu level right now.

    also, let me say that rasengan is way more useful than chidori...sure its not as sexy and badass lookin but who cares? you can make RAMEN WITH IT!! RAMEN BABY!!!
     
  3. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    rofl tru dat! so cough cough, your basically saying OROCHIMARU PWNZ JIRAIYA!!
     
  4. ZE E?E

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    Kakashi without Yamato wouldn?t teach naruto better than Jiraiya?
    If Jiraiya had Yamato during the training Naruto would be already stronger than sasuke.
     
  5. RAGING BONER Sexual Tyrannosaurus

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    oh yeah, no doubt.

    Orochimaru is not only a better teacher but a more powerful ninja.

    Orochimaru is well on the path to godhood, he is slowly cracking the secrets of life and death...give him a few centuries and who knows what he will acomplish.

    Jiraiya writes porn.
    in 2 weeks, Kakashi gave Sasuke more power than he had achieved his entire life.

    in ONE week Kakashi (with Yamato's leash) will give Naruto more attack power than Yondaime.

    Jiriaya is the definition of a crap teacher.
     
  6. The_Leader Nope, not here!

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    All we need now is to start talking about final villians, the AL, and ''surefire'' predictions ''that are factually based and 100% sure to happen,'' and this topic will be NF's first walking, and talking cliche.
     
  7. RAGING BONER Sexual Tyrannosaurus

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    you noticed that too huh?
     
  8. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    uh..what?! whats that freaking mean?!

    wats al?
     
  9. The_Leader Nope, not here!

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    This may only be twenty four chapters late, but if we're at the point where a good part of the forum can accurately predict the major storyline of Naruto from here on, then I'm sorry Kishi, but you really shouldn't read what we have to say. Then again, with the past performance of the forum at that particular job, I'm not worried.

    Yet.

    EDIT: Wait, I forgot the yaoi pairings! Crap, how could I!
     
  10. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    eh -_-, im definetely lost here..so what are you guys talking about, its a good topic on predicting whats to come?
     
  11. RasenganUltimate Member

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    Orochimaru is the most horrible teacher ever because he just uses his students for his own selfish gains.
    Jiraiya is okay... though in the anime fillers, he didn't teach Naruto much... he was just "researching"
     
  12. $!@de ....".......

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    him and oro are probably equal like naruto and sasuke.
     
  13. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    look at (anime) "reality" its not about whats good or bad. face it like we said b4, compare the power of each person sasuke and naruto after the time skip..sasuke was like what, 20x stronger than naruto. he even like freakin "blew up" kyuubi!

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    and to slade, remember that flashback of like jiraiya and orochimaru facing each other, when jiraiya was at the hospital telling naruto to forget about sasuke?
    in the flashback, he was like exhausted, and orochimaru was standing there "looking bad ass" and not breaking a sweat
     
  14. Spanish Hoffkage Lol. Kisame

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    You thought that maybe Sasuke is a best student than naruto???

    Jiraiya was the teacher of a guy called Yondaime.
     
  15. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    you mean "better student"? lol
    yeah true jiraiya was the teacher of "yondaime" but how do we know that jiraiya even taught him leet stuff. i think that just yondaime was like a sasuke but he's good. he just mastered what he was taught and created additional things.

    if you think jiraiyas better, how do you explain sasuke (practically) easily defeating naruto
     
  16. Spanish Hoffkage Lol. Kisame

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    Sasuke is a better student. he also has the sharingan to copy jutsus and he don't give a fuck about taking drugs.

    Naruto has some morality in his training which put him after Sasuke.

    Jiraiya=Good teacher.

    Kakashi said=How the hell did Jiraiya taught rasengan to Naruto.

    He's a good teacher.
     
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    I don't necassarilly agree that jiraiya is a weaker. I think they are pretty even. Since if that were the case, jiraiya would have died.

    And also the "teaching tecniques" that oro uses prolly also includes powerful drugs to enhance his speed and strength. So i wouldn't say that its fair. Also naruto at that point was completely exauhsted from his fight with oro so he wasn't even close to full strength. If naruto went to kyubi mode, i dunno if sasuke would stand a chance.
     
  18. narutofangd Banned

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    I think that your judging the pervert a tad to harsh.

    for one i believe we havn't seen naruto's full power post timeskip yet. we have seen flashes but that's it. gaara's arc focused more on sakura's growth.

    also the fight between naruto and sasuke if you can count it as a fight can't be used to judge due to the after effects of the KN4 transformation.

    Now looking at the teachers Orochimaru fill's his students with drugs and teaches them forbidden jutsus, there are probably mainy chinks in :sasuke armour that we haven't seen yet.
    kakashi is deffinatly the worst in part 1 2/3 of his team learnt basically
    nothing from him. this training that he is doing now is only working because of yamato. plus the training that he is doing heavily relies on the foundations that jiraiya constructed.
     
  19. Mateus. Van Hes.

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    I don't know what Jiraiya has taught Naruto but from the looks of it it isnt much. However im still not ruling out "that jutsu". Sasuke on the other hand you can see his improvement.
     
  20. NarutoPurePwnage Wise Man

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    Jiraiya pwns all. Read existing threads before you post garbage.
     
  21. Cardboard Jewsuke Draffut

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    Jiraiya didn;t think of it. He made a seal that could hold the kyui back if Naruto went tails. He could have accomplished the same training that kakasi is doin now iwth naruto.

    As far as training: Kakashi > Orochimaru > Jiraiya

    It is opposite as far as power.
     
  22. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    yeah maybe just thats the thing, we just seen sasuke fight and make a move not naruto on their second encounter.

    BUT, thats exactly why i think jiraiya didnt do anything except like, make naruto grow like 3 more tails(i forgot, how DID naruto do that). cause look at it, naruto did absolutely nothing, he just wasn't able to when they went to retrieve sasuke again.

    and about sasuke and drugs, its probably part of the seal as well, but give sasuke some credit. he just learned a bunch of crap from what orochimaru taught him. (expecilaly using his sharingan/genjutsu) and i loved it when he had new tricks up his sleeve, like the "chidori discharge" or whatever. cause i was seriosuly getting tired of, "KATON GOUKUYUU NO JUTSU!" and freakin chidori. >_<, hopefully, jiraiya taught him some new moves too..

    but we also got what kakashis teaching him too!
     
  23. Spanish Hoffkage Lol. Kisame

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    I'm giving Sasuke credit. He's a better student that naruto. plus the no moral of Oro helps him improve greatly to defeat as soon as possible his brother.
     
  24. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    i say, kishimoto(the writer) should have a ITACHI VS SASUKE RIGHT NOW! i hope that itachi beats the crap out of him when the time comes, though
     
  25. Samahade Yaoi Hater

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    As people said, Sasuke's superior performance can be traced back to these catagories:

    1) His innate learning ability.

    2) His 'copy-your-jutsu' Sharingan, allowing him to immediately learn and apply any genjutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu he has the physical ability and chakra-level to perform.

    3) His willingness to allow forbidden jutsus to be performed on him.

    4) His willingness to take experimental performance enhancing drugs.

    5) A teacher who is almost completely focused on him, to the point of disturbing obsession.

    Simply put, with a teacher that's as strong as Orochimaru, there's no way he could possibly not be stronger then Naruto, who despite having a teacher who is more or less as strong as Orochimaru, has the following handicaps:

    1) A bunch of S-class nin who they have to avoid(They may not have been actively seeking him out, but if they're in the neighborhood they'll come aknockin').

    2) A teacher who is easily distracted.

    3) A teacher whose method of teaching is, 'Here's what you have to do, here's a minor confusing hint, figure the rest out for yourself', perhaps the worst method of teaching for Naruto. While it would promote a young pupil who is not used to thinking to think, it would only increase Naruto's cleverness and adaptability, not his arsenal of techniques.

    4) A tendancy to 'go Kyuubi' with any flux of angry emotions, distracting said teacher to find a way to supress the demonic chakra that would slowly kill his appreantice.

    5) A pupil who does not catch on to concepts easily (kinda ties in to #3, but I wanted to even them out).

    The quality of the teachers have almost nothing to do with it, save how the play into the strengths and weaknesses of the students, and said students' willingness to take risks.
     
  26. Sterling Archer Formerly @MasterHiko

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    Damn sakura running her mouth about sasuke taking drugs. wtf does she know anywho? you know sakura, some ppl can get stronger without some old lady using chakra strings to help ya know. shut your hole.
     
  27. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    3) A teacher whose method of teaching is, 'Here's what you have to do, here's a minor confusing hint, figure the rest out for yourself', perhaps the worst method of teaching for Naruto. While it would promote a young pupil who is not used to thinking to think, it would only increase Naruto's cleverness and adaptability, not his arsenal of techniques.

    BINGO!

    that was what i was trying to say about someone saying he "was the yondaimes teacher" yeah so what. from the teaching we saw, thats not a "great tactic", but i know people who disagree with me (and people siding with me) that, "naruto had to learn it by himself" according to jiraiya/manga. but still, everyone else had peer to peer training. kakashi with sasuke, (most likely) orochimaru with sasuke, even tsunade with sakura (i think). they all had peer to peer training, but jiraiya and naruto..eh not so much.

    but they probably did more of it during the 3 year thing, which we didnt see. but hey, give credit to naruto on learning rasengan ALL BY HIMSELF! and, learning directions doesnt really count does it? cause even when jiraiya gave the tip to naruto about focusing, naruto had to modify it, and make his own way of focusing.

    so basically.. im not a fan of jiraiya teaching wise. but i love him as a character cause hes HILLARIOUS

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    "Damn sakura running her mouth about sasuke taking drugs. wtf does she know anywho? you know sakura, some ppl can get stronger without some old lady using chakra strings to help ya know. shut your hole."

    YEAH I KNOW, like omfgzors. some people on youtube was like putting. "oh sakura isnt strong now, but after the 3 years, she gets god-like, and even defeats an akatsuki member"

    and im like, wtf, she didnt even defeat him. the old lady did! ALL SAKURA WAS, WAS A DAMN PUPPET! and make some medicine
     
  28. Spanish Hoffkage Lol. Kisame

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    yeah, Naruto used a lot of time to learn A-ranked rasengan...
     
  29. Shikamaru0193 Member

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    this is off topic, but GOD DO I HATE DAVID HASSELHOFF! you ever see his video, hooked on a feeling...it is absolutely the STUPIDEST VIDEO I'VE SEEN! so stupid it was funny
     
  30. Pride Swerve

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    That would only work if Yamato can unleash the Kyuubi powers of Naruto, to help Jiraiya train Naruto past Mini Kyuubi.

    Otherwise it seems that I missed the part where they show that the main focus of Naruto's training with Jiraiya was not Kyuubi Tails based.
     
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