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Jiren is the best villain in Dragon Ball History *SPOILERS*

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball Telegrams' started by Extravlad, Mar 9, 2018.

  1. Extravlad

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    -No stupid transformation.

    -Can back up EVERYTHING HE SAYS.

    -Isn't afraid of anything or anyone.

    -UI Omen? He shits on that.

    -Mastered UI? He shits on that too.

    -He makes fanboys shut the fuck up

    -He doesn't discriminate, he puts to sleep everybody.

    -He's stronger than his leader and his Hakaishin

    -They're his cheerleaders despite being above him in the hierarchy

    And let's not forget that
     
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    Jiren isn't a villain.

    He is a hero of JUSTICE. :ufdup
     
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  6. Extravlad

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    It was good while it lasted.
    We're at war again now.

    Justice Toppo > Hit come at me.
     
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    I love his deep personality, his engaging speeches, his interior conflicts, and most of all his sense of humor.
     
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    1. Not a villain
    2. No, he's not
    3.
    This
     
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    He is the best antagonist unless some crazy unknown shit happens in the last 2 episodes.
     
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    I know, which is why I quoted you. :rlynigga
     
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    Is this how you judge your characters?

    It seems like you use stupid tick box lists for characters.
     
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    The best villain ever will win the ToP.
     
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    He is pretty good, as a catalyst for things yet to come.
     
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    If you remove from a character what makes him a character, then he's just a plot device. I just gave some exemples of what makes an engaging personality for a character. One of them would have been enough. But I guess the fault comes from Toriyama.
     
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    Jiren is a Pride Trooper who is likes fighting and is obseessed with strength and will let others know about it if they face him if they provide no challenege. You also know his backstory.

    The thing you want is for him to talk more and laugh a lot like Black or Frieza.
     
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    Neither he is a villain nor he is "best".

    The only thing he is arguably best at is being a plot device.
     
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    I don't especially want him to laugh or to act like Frieza or Black. I don't care about his backstory either, it's not a replacement for characterization.

    A character is a good character when you want to see him lose or see him win, at least in this tournament.

    Now put yourself in the shoes of the kids who starts Dragon Ball with Super. What makes them want to see Jiren succeed ? What's engaging about him ? And why is it so ?

    During Goku Vs Frieza, you want to see Frieza lose, regardless of who does it. Because he's a piece of shit.

    In his own, I don't especially want Jiren lose, but I don't especially want him to win either. He's bland so I'm indifferent to him.
     
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    multi layered aura > multi layered personality
     
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    all the alloted character budget went into the aura :zamahug
     
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    ^ (use bro), Jiren succeeding has nothing to do with the feelings of kids. Jiren is here because he wants the wish, he is worse than Frieza who is here for survival.
     
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    Thank you Captain Obvious. Everyone knows Jiren's in for the wish.

    You misunderstand my post. PlainWarrior argue that Jiren is a good character. I argue that he's has no real personality traits, that's why I'm completely neutral to his character.

    In a tournament setting, you cheer for characters you like, or boo characters you hate. Jiren is none of that.
    So my question is : Does the kids who watch Super on TV would be interested by Jiren's character and why would to want to see him win ?
     
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    Dragon Ball is about fighting so number of fights, wins, losses and strength plays a role. Especially to children.

    If Vegeta was way weaker than he is do you think people would like him as much?

    I never really cared about who won between Goku and Frieza. They are just anime characters set in a crazy different world.

    If I was a kid the only thing I need from a characters for me to want a character to win is if I enjoy watching them fight and usually nothing more. Just like with sports people kids just want to see them play more and more and see them do what they do so well. The same with Dragon Ball characters.
     
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    How does that make him worse than Frieza who wants to rule over everything in an evil way?
     
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    hit and beerus don't have transformations either :blobcoffee
     
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    If that was the case, Dragon Ball wouldn't more popular then Saint Seiya or Ranma 1/2 who have way better fighting coregraphy. The characters, the story was engaging.
    People like Yamcha ( He's one of my favorite. ) and he's weak as fuck. Power has nothing to do with how you like character. Everyone in the tournament is powerful to some degree. That is not special.
    Piccolo is very much liked and he was fodder in late Cell games and Buu Saga.
     
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    You can be quiet after you doubted Jiren after seeing episdoe 129 and the preview for episode 130.
     
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    eat my dick
    i was wrong about big j don't act like your ass haven't been wrong either
     
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