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Kajukai Korin can't counter Tobi's intangibility.

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Cosmos, May 17, 2018.

  1. Cosmos I'm tired of being what you want me to be

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    Because Tobi can simply:

    - teleport out of it AoE.
    - turn off his intangibility then turn it on back again whenever he likes. The pollen take time to effect its target. Onoki could resist it for a while and Tobi is the most resilient SoB in the Manga.
    - if all else fails, Tobi can just blow the pollen away with his Kamui air whirlwind (that he uses to buff his Katons to Jubi size).

    Hashirama still defeats Tobi in a fight, but the Forest Bloom can't counter Kamui phasing.

    What do you think ? Post your opinion pls.
     
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  2. WorldsStrongest Dio With It

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    It takes literally seconds...

    ...

    And obito, phasing or not, if he is standing in the AOE hes breathing in the pollen...This aint gonna work either


    Due entirely to a Nakama powerup moment...

    Tsunade and A are both far more resilient than he is and they both passed out

    This is what you call "lolplot" or an outlier

    Not to actually be taken seriously
    Hes still solid when attacking

    Meaning an opening was created

    Meaning Kajukai Korin does its job

    The pollen doesnt need to directly affect Obito for it to counter him

    Theres a difference
     
  3. Kai R I N N I N G Retired Staff

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    You're right on differing points. He can teleport out of Flower World's AOE or use Kamui's whirlwind effect to blow away the pollen, but from arguments I've seen Flower World is a topic point brought out solely to counter phasing, which is a solid one especially if Hashirama stays in that field imo. In order to switch from phasing to phasing himself or exporting objects/whirlwind, Tobi will solidify for a moment where the active pollen will affect him, and even if he does have resistance to the pollen being adversely affected in any way is not something to argue for in favor of Obito when facing Hashirama.
     
  4. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    If SM Hashirama is the one using it instead of Edo Madara, how much bigger will the AoE be?
     
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    Idk if thats how it works

    The pollen itself may just be more potent

    But it could also be AoE that increases

    Or both :catshrug
     
  6. Cosmos I'm tired of being what you want me to be

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    Dude needs a split second to teleport away, he teleported in and out to save Sasuke from a point blank Jinton. And he's much more resilient than Onoki unless you think a half dead Onoki can resist BZ control or live without a heart for few minutes. Him getting knocked in just a second is utter BS.
    That's not the point. He isn't defeating Hashi or Edo Madara in a fight. But the Forest Bloom on its own isn't gonna defeat him nor does "hard counter" his intangibility. It doesn't.
     
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  7. Cosmos I'm tired of being what you want me to be

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    He won't get knocked out instantly. Bloody hell no.
    I didn't say he will Hashirama or Edo Madara. Just discussing the Forest Bloom vs Intangibility nonsense.
     
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    That won't affect him simply
    Does he even have a functional lungs, he could probably derive energy from the transplanted cells
    Any way he can simply go underground, remain intangible.
    Also the time frame he has to remain tangible is like a seconds for every five minute so that ain't doing any thing
     
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  9. Kai R I N N I N G Retired Staff

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    I hear you all the way, you're talking to one of the biggest Obito fans and just like your point hell no I'm not saying he'll get knocked out either. After enduring a Chidori to the heart, getting the tailed beasts ripped out, and getting the Gedo statue forcefully summoned it will take more than pollen to overload his endurance.

    The important part for me is that being physically burdened in any way is not a position to argue in favor for Obito against Hashirama. But this is a lesser point overall as there are more compelling ways Hashirama beats down Obito.
     
  10. Cosmos I'm tired of being what you want me to be

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    We are in total agreement then.
     
  11. Crimson Flam3s Rampage Sage

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    The pollen only affects him if he breathes it in correct?

    Lol he negs that shit.

    Regular humans can hold their breath for a minute, and even longer for some people out there.

    Obito is a superhuman with Zetsu parts. He can probably hold his breath and still fight for a while or get away from the AoE.

    No one here remembers how long Kakashi stayed in that water prison or Lee, Neji and TenTen?

    Only way it affects him it's by an sneak attack and he fails to detect it with the Sharingan( which is hard to argue, considering that Sasuke saw Deidara's Nano bomb cloud) or when breathing in.
     
  12. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    Transfering his physical endurance feats to his ability to not be affected by poison

    Obito wank is a thing now...huh :mikebatman
     
  13. Crimson Flam3s Rampage Sage

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    Isn't that what you do with Kisame all the time?

    Spoiler:
    JK

     
  14. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    I'd like a quote where i've ever said "Kisame facetanked Hirudora, so he's unaffected by poison"
     
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  15. Cosmos I'm tired of being what you want me to be

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    I can almost smell the irony coming out of my computer screen :gglife
     
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  16. The_Conqueror Well-Known Member

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    Well I have seen worse than that :lmao
     
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  17. Shark Bijū

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    Kisame negs the pollen via diving underwater. :hehee
     
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    He needs to become tangible to teleport, so he's vulnerable regardless in that instant.

    Gokage already passed out after Madara used his katon jutsu, not to mention that breathing the pollen will affect him nonetheless.

    Attacking makes him become tangible meaning he's vulnerable to get one-shot by any of Hashi's mokuton constructs, he'd need kamui shuriken and both eyes to counter FTW effectively.

    Obito slips trough things when they touch his body/one of his body parts, pollen is too small for him to go completely intangible and be unaffected, so it does counter intangibility since just inhaling the pollen doesn't require contact and the second he breathes he has two options: he either does nothing and gets knocked out or he decides to hide with kamui which means that he has to waste the 5 minute limit at which point he gets one-shot by any of hashi's constructs.
     
  19. Cosmos I'm tired of being what you want me to be

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    Or simply holds his breath like the Gokage did before Madara hit them and warps away.

    Wanna argue Tobi can't hold his breath for an instant ? Lol.

    Onoki breathed in a large amount of pollen yet he could still stand up and fight.
    Wanna argue Tobi is less resilient than Onoki ?

    Not really. A burst of wind is enough to blow the pollen away. If he gets attacked he just phases through whatever tries to hit. Or just GTFO the forest

    I'll tell you what I told the other posters. Tobi can't beat Hashirama or Edo Madara. This threat is just to debunk the idiotic claim that Kajukai Korin counters intangibility.
     
  20. Mar55 Well-Known Member

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    Obito can beat Madara and Hashi, there I said it.
     
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    It shouldve been common sense. How'll the pollen affect him if there's nothing there? His body parts are in a different dimension, the real world him is just an astral projection.
     
  22. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    The biggest flaw against the flower world pollen argument is obito can simply hold his breath while he teleports out normal people can hold their breath for 2min these shinobi are on another level....obito has atleast a 5min time window to teleport out.....yeah no the pollen solos lmao
     
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