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Kakashi vs. Itachi

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Kai, Mar 24, 2018.

  1. Kai R I N N I N G Retired Staff

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    The classic fight after a while. MS Kakashi (Fourth War) vs. Itachi.

    Setting: Uchiha Shrine
    Knowledge: Full
    Distance: 10 meters
    IC
     
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    Itachi's always been Kakashi's superior. Even Kamui GG wouldn't change that here.

    Kakashi doesn't have any tools to defend against Amaterasu so for all intents and purposes Amaterasu = Kamui here.

    Itachi also can Tsukiyomi Kakashi in CQC and without Naruto, Chiyo and Sakura there is no one else but Kakashi to be the target of Itachi's genjutsu and Kakashi won't have back-up to increase his chances of landing a successful bunshin feint.
     
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    Itachi handseal speed is so fast that Sasuke with two Sharingan's couldn't even see him make the handseal to make a clone right in front of him so with speed like that along with shadow clones,exploding clones,crow clones, Katons, genjutsu, ect. it can help in creating opening which can give Itachi a few good shots in while on the otherhand Kakashi's a pretty good clone user himself and he has multiple good finishing moves with his Raiton along with some counters to Itachi's base arsenal so while close I tend to slightly favor Itachi when it comes to their base but that when things turn to Itachi's favor.

    Susanoo pretty much walls almost(if not everything) Kakashi can dish out while also being able to dish out damage that's gonna either end Kakashi(which he won't use here since he's trying to catch Kakashi) or hurt him badly which can be done with Susanoo's physical strength and attacks. Now when you add in Ama and Tsu and Kakashi's chances aren't looking to good as Itachi can hit Kakashi with either of those two but not kill him while also knocking him out. Kamui isn't enough to alone to beat Itachi when he's fighting an uphill battle throughout the fight, Itachi got this in the bag more times then not imo but as always for Kakashi, Kamui or bust.
     
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    13 Itachi related post in the first page itself..Whats going on?? :doge

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    Itachi starts with this.


    Kakashi answers by doing this:

    He sends his clone at Itachi's clone to make real Itachi come out, but real Itachi anticipates it to be clone as he also has full knowledge on Kakashi.
    When Kakashi's superior clones eventually force real Itachi to reveal himself, Kakashi pushes him into Susanoo and takes him either from underground or by simply kamuisniping him in Susanoo.

     
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    Could go either way, but Kamui GG

    both have comparable physical stats, though Itachi perhaps has a slight speed advantage, while kakashi has better stamina and access to the first gate.

    Kakashi's ninjutsu counters Itachi's nicely (suitons >katons)
    Itachi has a huge genjutsu advantage but only Tsukiyomi will be a threat which MS Kakashi should be able to resist with difficulty

    Itachi has more MS techniques, Kakashi has the best one
     
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    Itachi has suitons as well..And he has faster handsigns so most likely would execute his jutsus before Kakashi

    Kakashi has a 3 stamina whereas sick Itachi has 2.5..So it's fair to assume that hypothetical healthy Itachi has better stamina due to having an Uchiha body

    He can't resist Tsukuyomi if Itachi wants to kill him..He can try and avoid getting caught in it though..And when Kakashi is trying to Kamui Itachi, he'd just be offering his eye on a platter for Tsukuyomi
     
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    Itachi is far superior
     
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    Not on the scale of Kakashi's. Refer to the battle with Kakuzu and Zabuza.

    I'm assuming this is itachi with part 1 health, and even then, he wouldn't have the advantage over Kakashi (refer to the war arc)

    He probably can with great difficulty. Even his part one 3 tomoe was able to resist it to some extent, but as noted by Itachi, you need the Mangekyo which provides even further resistance. Kakashi is an MS user who equally matched a senju enhanced Obito with no problem
     
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    Itachi has always been portrayed as well above Kakashi since Part 1. Kakashi stands no chance, once Itachi's MS comes out the fight is over as Kakashi will be quickly overwhelmed and shut down. He can counter Amaterasu with Kamui but he has no counter to Tsukuyomi or Susanoo at all. So I say Itachi, with mid difficulty at best.
     
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    Kakashi is superior to Itachi, thus his clones too. I am not sure whether clones can use MS abilities aside from Susanoo, but using Tsukuiyomi on clone is a suicide for Itachi, Kamui and Amaterasu usage is also not reasonable, neither for Itachi's clone, nor Kakashi's. And when Kakashi's clone pushes Itachi's into Susanoo with superior ninjutsu and stamina, he easily reaches him from underground, attacking with raikiri or raikiri wolf.
     
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    If you're going to argue your case mainly in the light of portrayal, then Itachi is the winner. However,
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    Kakashi at his best is almost certainly better than Itachi at his worst, and vice versa. in Kakashi cases probably some time mid-way through the war acr battle, but before his eye-sight went totally bad and for Itachi his Edo form -- I believe portrayal places Itachi ahead of Kakashi. The main reason being simply that Itachi's having both Mangekyo-Sharingan and being a natural born Uchiha has therefore been able to take his Dojutsu powers further than Kakashi was ever able to. While the assertion can certainly be made that Kamui is portrayed as superior to Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu individually -- and I do in-fact think the manga supports such an assertion -- I do not think we are suppose to see Kamui as superior to both Tsukuyomi + Amaterasu, let alone the addition of Itachi's Stage-4 Susano'o which is only achievable with the power of both his Mangekyo-Sharingan. Now granted Kakashi's isn't all about Mangekyo-Sharingan, he has mastered countless techniques, but honestly I highly suspect that the amount of techniques Itachi's has mastered is extremely high as well, Kabuto even touches on this claiming Itachi's mastery of many techniques and Itachi having Three-Tome Sharingan copy abilities at his disposal for so many years further supports this. Kakashi given his portrayal as the copy ninja has probably mastered more and I certainly think the case could be made that Kakashi's capabilities outside of his Dojutsu are superior to Itachi's, but I do not think they have been portrayed as being so much significantly better than Itachi's, that it would make up the difference in their Dojutsu skills, especially with additional perks Itachi has access to in his Edo-Tensei form.


    Full knowledge helps Itachi a heck of a lot more than Kakashi. Knowing about the Kamui means Itachi will act in ways where he isn't typically considered in-Character (IC). I think if it was Manga knowledge, Kakashi would probably win
     
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    Portrayal and feats go hand in hand. One could say it's pretty close in this regard. I invite you to disagree if you think Itachi is substantially ahead here.
     
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    Kakashi wins. Obito is typically considered better than Sasuke and Kakashi has beaten Obito before so Kakashi is better. Plus with full knowledge Kakashi would drag the battle out and outlast him, if not Kamui GG
     
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    Tell that to the Hanzo wankers. He beat a group of young Sannin who weren't half as strong as they're seen to be in the series (during a war where it is likely they were already exhausted), and yet it makes Hanzo high kage tier (even though he couldn't beat Chiyo during multiple encounters.

    Or statements of Haku portraying him to be on Kakashi level (part 1), then lose to Naruto KN0, badly. Im sure there are other examples of portrayal not meeting the feats
     
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    What if Kakashi Kamuis a clone?? And another?? And keeps on Kamui-ing a clone after clone..Itachi is quite capable of doing that you know..In a 1v1 fight he did it against a mastered Sage Mode user and keeping up with Itachi's hand seals while trying to concentrate on Kamui-ing him is next to impossible for Kakashi..And Moreover Kamui would be a dumb decision on Kakashi's part coz he'd be showing his eye straight to Itachi as if he's inviting a genjutsu..Lol..With Kamui out of the way Kakashi doesn't have much to take Itachi down with
     
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    You mean that Obito let Kakashi win in order to follow through with his plans:maybe:gun
     
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    Been awhile since I read the Manga. Kakashi can still outlast Itachi. He can avoid Genjutsu the way Gai did. With full knowledge he can Kamui the Amaterasu away or hide underground to avoid it. If Itachi activates Susanoo Kakashi can avoid the Tosuka blade for a good 5 minutes before Itachi begins to get exhausted and his illness starts to kick in.
     
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    Obito let Kakashi win though.
    First off, we don't even know how strong the Sannin were back then. But we do know they all had their boss summons, so they couldn't be that weak. Secondly, people don't say Hanzo is so powerful only due to what he did against the Sannin. They say that because Nagato himself said that the reason Hanzo lost to Pain was because he lost his conviction. Thirdly, we have literally no idea how the encounters with Chiyo went whatsoever so using that to downplay Hanzo doesn't make sense.
    Immediately after Zabuza went on his rant Kakashi said that Zabuza was doing noting more than bragging. Hell, Zabuza even said he was boasting, so his comments weren't meant to be taken seriously: So there's no contradiction. Imho hype and feats both make up a character's overall portrayal.
     
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    You act as if Itachi is going to sit in V4 and try to hit Kakashi. He is a lot smarter than that
     
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    Yes if Itachi is a dumbass who has no chakra control

    Only Guy has shown that ability noone else..Guy's feats aren't transferable

    From his body?? Coz Amaterasu has no trajectory, rather it spawns on the target..Kakashi has to Kamui it while he's screaming in agony

    Again you are assuming Itachi needs susanoo here..And you are also assuming that Itachi doesn't know his limits and would keep on using it..Itachi can do just fine without the Susanoo..He is faster and better at CqC than Kakashi..Has faster hand seals, better distractions with crows..And is equally smart if not smarter
     
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    Even so, If Kakashi opts for Kamui warp from the start. What is Itachi's move?
     
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    Whats stopping Kakashi from Kamui GG'ing Itachi?
     
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    "If Kakashi doesn't act IC, what's Itachi's move?"
     
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    Kamui is IC for Kakashi in Situations of major theats. Kakashi was gonna Kamui the Gedo Mazo. He tried to Kamui Madara(Tobi) . If Kakashi thinks a threat is big enough he will bring it out. And Kakashi will use all his tools to take down Itachi.
     
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    But Itachi can kill Kakashi before he gets to tired to fight.



    No he can't, Kakashi didn't train to learn the same method that Gai did.


    If Kakashi is already hit then he can't get rid of the flames with Kamui. If Kakashi hides underground then Itachi just waits for him to pop back up and Itachi just chills meaning no using chakra really so Kakashi would get nowhere.


    Kakashi can't help avoiding the blade that has a long extended reach that could cut off multiple heads of Orochi's Yamata as well as be used fast enough that it caught Orochi by surprise and mid sentence let alone everything else Itachi can do with Susanoo. Your basically ignoring how Kakashi actually fights and ignoring Itachi's skills just to say "Hey Kakashi avoids everything" which is flawed. Show me a fight where Kakashi never took a hit once in a fight or anything in a single, oh wait you can't because Kakashi never does and usually takes a few blows but somehow against Itachi here he's magically gonna avoid everything Itachi can do and just outlast him?
     
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    I totally agree that he will try Kamui at some point. Using it right at the start of a fight is rather OOC.
     
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    • Orochimaru didn't have edo tensei
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    That means they were not nearly as strong as their series counter-part. Period.

    Statements have been made in the series countless times that are not to be taken literally. Hyperbole can be found everywhere.

    Chiyo fought with Hanzo more than once, surviving each time and was able to gain enough battle intel that she was able to make an antidote against Hanzo. One might conclude that in their next meeting Chiyo could have won because of that. It is generally held that Chiyo is a low kage tier character, so what does that make Hanzo.

    The point being is that Itachi's portrayal is greater than Kakashi's and it has nothing to do with his feats not meeting his portrayal rather than vice versa like a character such as Hanzo


    This I agree with. You can't have so much of one side and lack so significantly on the other side
     
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    Wuts stopping Itachi from Amaterasu'ing Kakashi's head or cutting him in half with Susanoo

    We gotta stay IC fham :caticon
     
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