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Kale vs. Toppo

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Mabel Gleeful, Jul 23, 2017.

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  1. Mabel Gleeful Mage

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    Seeing the last episode, I got curious about this fight. Kale starts in her Legendary Super Saiyan form. Standard OBD rules apply, who wins?
     
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    Kale. Toppo was had trouble by Goku Blue (who was also confident he could trash Toppo is their match continued and Kale just made Goku blue look stupid. Though, Goku wasn't trying to kill her or anything walking through a ssblue kamehaha is nothing short of impressive.
     
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  3. NightmareCinema Okami

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    Toppo still has the upper hand considering he took a point blank SSJBKK Kamehameha and came out with a few scratches before the match was called off.
     
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    How far can Kale push the leader of the Pride Troopers? :hm
     
  5. Ishmael Sun moon sect Ish.

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    Come on the bro?...isn't toppo the dude who was said to have god of destruction potential and was next up. I don't see why he couldn't give her the jiren treatment just differently.

    He's the smarter fighter and is actually in control he'll do her in quickly imo.
     
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    Toppo should win as he's not just a powerhouse but also a smart fighter. :hm

    It's a close one. Toppo would need to finish her before her power rises too high.
     
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    and?

    with just the power of SSJG, Goku was scouted as a potential Hakaishin

    it's a great piece of hype but let's not overrate it now

    if Toppo was capable of giving her the Jiren treatment, he would've done it since he was the first of the two of them to point out how strong Kale was; fact remains, he didn't and it doesn't help that he's confirmed a noob compared to Jiren
     
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    Toppo wins,Goku said that he didn't know if he could beat him using SSb

    Goku said he'll let out some more power vs Kale doesn't mean he used all his strength
     
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    i'm also pretty certain Toppo wins but my question was how far can she push him?
     
  10. The Mathemagician Headshot Productions

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    She probably gives Toppo from what we've seen a good fight but I'll give it to Toppo with mid-high diff.
     
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  12. Monna Malicious Miraculous Malevolent Maelstrom

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    Toppo gains power from having the best mustache in the multiverse.
     
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    This. Toppo would outwrestle and outpower Kale
     
  14. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    I think you're misremembering. Goku only started powering up to SSBKK after the kamehameha (Though Toppo powered up as well and may have been able to match Goku at that level). It was a full power SSB Kamehameha (though you're right that it was point blank and Toppo came out of it with just his outfit torn a little bit).
     
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    Toppo wins

    Kale isn't stronger than SSB (at least, not from what we've seen). Goku didn't use his full power against her and he was fine after she hit him. Meanwhile, Goku says he needs to surpass his limits (Kaioken) to actually beat Toppo

    Even Golden Freeza could take her out and I'm confident Toppo would beat him, although he would need to put effort to beat either one
     
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    Toppo takes it, he survived a serious SSB kamehameha, with slight injuries. and proceeded to power up against a kaio ken Goku.

    People are jumping the gun on this one.

    She remains low SSB tier till proven otherwise.
     
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    Reposting what I wrote in another thread
     
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    Kale wins
     
  19. Millón Vasto Damn, I'm even thiccer then Jiren!

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    wait hold on a second. where was it stated that goku held back? He said he'd let out more power before he used the kamehameha. At best u can call this inconclusive. clearly the fight was interupted and goku was fine. but to say goku held back is straight up counter initituive to what he just said moments before.
     
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    Toppo, people need to stop jumping the gun.
     
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    Not even slight injuries. Only his uniform got torn off and it pissed him off.

    He said he'd let out more. Goku is the kind to just say he'll go all out before he does(and even when he says that, it might not necessarily be true). Plus he's seemingly still trying to conserve energy.
     
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    he didnt go all out would be a better statement imo.
     
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    Kale. Goku used that ^ (use bro)'s face as a doormat and he had the nerve to conclude that they were equals :hestonpls
     
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    jaastice punch would be enough and if not then jaastice flash should do it.
     
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    Toppo was actually about to pop off before Jiren stepped in. Let's not forget that. Toppo was not gonna back down.
     
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    . He'd relased more power or let out more depending on which sub u watch before he fired the kamehameha. I'm looking for actual hard proof. i see people claiming and talking with certainty that goku held back. U can believe he held back sure but when people claim he for a fact held back just cuz I have a problem with it. at best u can call this inconclusive. the fight ended prematurely in canon wich it did and kale still looked better. the downplay i see here(not u per se) is ridiculous.
     
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    Don't think there's any definite proof. Just think it's highly likely he still had more in the tank.
     
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    Toppo can negate energy blasts, so Kale would need a super strong punch. She doesn't seem particularly fast otherwise she would've just dodged the kamehameha and grabbed Goku regardless.
     
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