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Katakuri vs 5 kages

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Bobybobster, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. Bobybobster

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    Put kata in the place of madara
    Probably a mismatch of some kind, wiki isn't really helpful.

    Speed equal
    Neither side has any intel
    Serious intent to kill

    If kata looses give him current luffy too

    On another note:
    Could kata take on alive madara? What about in unequal speed?
     
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  2. Alita54

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    With speed equal onoki probably solos. He has the destructive power to kill him and his aoe is too big for kata to completely avoid. Otherwise kata wins with speed not equal.

    He only beats alive madara if speed is not equal and madara starts without susano up. Otherwise madara beats him easily.
     
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    Dont see how the kage win this since future sight helps against particle style and the rest cant damage katakuri easily.
    Gaara maybe but then you have Awakening.
     
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    Don`t see how Katakuri beats Madara
     
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    You may not be up to date but recently there was a speed upgrade where One Piece High-Top Tiers got Relativistic combat speed and light speed reactions.

    Madara is far below that level of speed so there isn’t any way for him to activate Susanoo before getting blitzed in a speed unequal scenario, he just wouldn’t have enough time (it doesn’t help that Katakuri has been shown to interrupt powerups in the past when he prevented Luffy from going into G4 Boundman). But since Madara needs to activate Susanoo to reach a certain level of DC/Durability he’s screwed.
     
  6. LazyWaka Retired Staff

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    Is katakuri Rey or admiral level?
     
  7. Alita54

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    He apparently gets scaled off of the mach 208k calc which makes him fast enough to blitz from the standard distance.
     
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    Neither.

    I have Katakuri at Mach 1908 while CoO to Mach 200k.

    His Haki is the one Oda talks about being able to percieve Kizaru. However Kaidou straight up blitzed Luffy who was on Katakuri's level.
     
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    Luffy wasn't using Future Sight against Kaido. To use Future Sight you need to be calm. Luffy had thought that he had lost his nakama. That is Luffy being anything but calm given how much he loves them.
     
  10. Dellinger

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    Luffy was pretty focused during that clash. He knew what was at stake
     
  11. xenos5

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    Are you really arguing Luffy was less pissed off at seeing his friends possibly die than Katakuri was at people seeing his mouth while eating?

    If that’s not enough to make Luffy be unable to use Futuresight from rage I don’t know what the fuck would be enough in your view.
     
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    Katakuri babyshakes all these 5 kage. They would be absolutely nothing to him!
     
  13. Dellinger

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    Reread the fight. Luffy's reaction wasn't similar at all to Katakuri's. Katakuri literally lost his mind, Luffy knew what was at stake and even called out Law on his talking back. Heck Luffy saw Kaido coming right at him and he couldn't do a thing.
     
  14. xenos5

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    Lol Luffy was clearly pissed off. He wasn’t fighting smart at all in G4 he just kept hitting Kaido with Kong Organ until he got tired even though it obviously wasn’t having any effect.
     
  15. Dellinger

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    Luffy always pummels opponents, what did you expect him to do ? Stop his attack ?
     
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    Use a different attack, or better yet Luffy should’ve went with his ultimate attack, King Kong Gun. Against a Friggin Yonko it’s stupid to not go all out from the very start.
     
  17. Dellinger

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    Different attack ? there aren't many better attacks than Kong Organ, and KKG would take too much time. Who knows maybe he would have used it but Kaido got to him.

    Point is, Luffy was at no point in the similar kind of mindset Katakuri was after Luffy exposed him.
     
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    If Luffy was using FS against Kaidou he would have known his onslaught would be useless.
     
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    KKG isn’t as slow as Elephant Gun, the attack Luffy chose as a surprise attack on Dragon Kaido. KKG would’ve been a much better attack to use in that situation with the element of surprise.

    And Luffy was clearly distraught. If Luffy was in the state of mind that would allow him to use Futuresight, and he did in fact use Futuresight there would be evidence for both but there’s evidence for neither really. He clearly wasn’t “calm” at the very least, and there’s not a single indication he got a Futuresight vision.
     
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    Lol at Luffy being calm and able to use future sight after thinking his crew might have died..the guy was just raging at Kaido like a berserker..
     
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    This is just really Dellinger being a Kaido fanboy. Anything that makes him look better regardless how illogical it is.
    A veteran like Katakuri lost FS just because someone saw his face but a newbie like Luffy totally kept his cool despite losing his entire crew in front of him. /s
    Luffy lives for his nakama. One has to have zero understanding of his characterization to even think that death of his nakama wouldn't to anything to his mindset.
    Luffy was smart enough to run away from Big Mom and yet he attacked Kaido with reckless abandon. Of course he was as upset as it is humanely possible.
     
  22. Dellinger

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    You should reread the fight. Luffy didn't have any reaction close to what Katakuri had. He knew what where at stakes, he had to fight Kaido. Oda doesn't have to throw a panel every time. I mean Snakeman vs Kata didn't have any panel on Luffy using future sight yet he used it. Katakuri blindly attacked everyone, Luffy was trying to analyze the situation at first after the EG.

    G4 pummels Kaido, Kaido doesn't even get up completely and he straight up blitzes him. We have a panel on Luffy seeing Kaido coming right at him.
     
  23. Dellinger

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    By your logic Katakuri should have cancelled 90% of his attacks against Luffy.
     
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    They were not useless. Luffy was clearly hurt/damaged each time, and they all contributed to Luffy eventually being KOd at the end of the Snakeman fight (even though he recovered quicker for no reason). Luffy didn't tank shit.
     
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    Luffy was at his most reckless against Kaido. He ALREADY KNEW how powerful the Yonko were from Big Mom casually knocking him out of G4 (and having to run away from her). Yet he still charged in even having that experience.

    Katakuri didn't "blindly attack" he knew he was attacking people who saw his mouth while he was eating.

    I'm not rereading the fight because I know your interpretation is bullshit, and you don't have any actual proof to support it. There is actual context supproting Luffy using Futuresight in Snakeman against Kata (Luffy choosing not to use Snakeman until he'd gotten his huge CoO upgrade), there is no context supporting Luffy being in his right mind to do the same against Kaido.

    So again I ask, If seeing his friends likely die is not enough to make Luffy unable to use Futuresight what the fuck do you think would actually be enough? You make it seem like Luffy is some analytical genius who can stay calm in any situation. He is not that, he's a dumbass with a big heart. There is NOTHING that could make him lose it more than seeing his friends die.
     
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    Half of his attack were useless since Luffy was avoiding most of them in the start.
     
  27. Dellinger

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    Luffy wasn't at his most reckless. Again Luffy hits him with EG and goes down and checks the situation. Law calls him out and Luffy tells him that has to beat him now



    You compare this reaction with Katakuri who was blindly attacking everyone ? If we use your logic about Luffy then Luffy can't use his future sight at any major fight because he always is aggressive and a doofus.
     
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    Less than half, you're exaggerating. We just saw a small segment where Luffy was using his rubber body in weird ways to dodge in ways other people wouldn't be able to which annoyed Katakuri (Luffy grabbing his head and moving it independently of his body, Luffy's legs winding up like a spring when he was ducking). And of course due to plot the section where it happened was when Katakuri was using his trident because as we saw later Mochi Thrust is too lethal of an attack for Luffy that had it landed multiple times earlier Luffy could not have lasted anywhere near as long. So Oda had Luffy not get hit by Mochi Thrust even before he gained Futuresight due to that.
     
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    Stop dodging my question. I'll say it as many times as it needs to be said. There is nothing that would have a greater chance of making Luffy being pissed off to the point he can't use futuresight than thinking his friends were killed.

    I'd definitely say any time Luffy thinks his friends have been killed he'd be unable to use futuresight as it'd be ridiculous for that to not piss him off enough considering his character. I am not going to ignore Luffy's character like you are just to make Kaido look more impressive.
     
  30. Dellinger

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    Luffy didn't know about his crew being alive either in WCI so how was he capable of using future sight ? You know it doesn't work like that. If we use your logic then CoO becomes completely broken as concept for Luffy since 90% of the time he is aggressive and isn't as calm and collected as other fighters.

    Also I don't need to make anything impressive. Kaido blitzed Luffy from distance while sitting on his ass and he one shot him with a freaking thunder attack.
     
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