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Killua in PT

Discussion in 'Hunter x Hunter' started by Fry J, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. Fry J Vigilant

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    Now that both Illumi and Kalluto are PT members, I wonder how the series would of played out if Gon and Killua had accepted Nobunaga's offer to join up during York Shin. Kalluto compared to current Killua seems all around inferior. If Killua joined the troupe like his brothers where do you think he would rank? Low-tier, mid-tier, high-tier? :blobcoffee
     
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  2. snakeeater Well-Known Member

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    I thought this thread would be about a Killua joining the Phantom Troupe theory.
     
  3. Fry J Vigilant

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    What theory?
     
  4. snakeeater Well-Known Member

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    No, that I thought you were going to bring up a theory or something.
     
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  5. EternalRage Well-Known Member

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    definitely the lower end of mid tier

    hes stronger than Shizuku and Kalluto for sure and probably the same level as Machi
     
  6. tonpa Mafia

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    He is the strongest human in the series currently. He's top tier. He blitz.
     
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  7. PrazzyP HxH is life

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    He's most certainly above Shizuku and Kalluto who are probably the 2 weakest members. I have a feeling he'll be able to take Bono and Machi also with some difficulty and maybe also Franklin.

    But Illumi, Feitan, Phinks and Chrollo stomp on him and Nobunaga likely kills him also just based on hype.

    Inb4 @PwnGoatVSPandaman comes here to say the PT are trash and Killua blitzes all of them
     
  8. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    Lol what? Killua was literally taking out armies of soldier ants while phinks struggled with a pretty obviously less skilled single one.

    Illumi, Hisoka, and Chrollo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other genei ryodan
    Killua is literally at the point that he's ready to fight his brother and only didn't cuz you aren't allowed to fight with family in the zoldyck family.

    Killua doesn't need ranmaru to defeat 90% of them.

    I mean damn, rammot IS stronger than most of them. But keep saying 4 meter en range nobunaga is impressive.
    Kite is Chrollo/HIsoka'ish leveled (plus his strong hatsu) and his casual all night en shat on nobunaga's short term en.
    Knuckle was literally compared to Kite.
     
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  9. Tom Servo Pants Pants Pants Pants

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    Except those were foot soldiers he was taking out and the gorilla ant Phinks was fighting was an officer. Actually the Officer Killua fought ended up doing better to him then the Gorilla dude did with Phinks, lasted a hell of a lot longer too.
     
  10. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    Actually the one phinks fought was a soldier ant, somehow over the last year or something, someone went into the hxh wikia or whatever and pretty much put all the soldier ants but a few into the officer ant category. The gorrila was a soldier ant.

    Killua fought multiple officers actually, and defeated multiple.

    The actual officers that existed were:
    Flutter (Killed by Knov, body necromancied by Ikalgo, corpse destroyed by Bloster)
    Frog (Killed by Kite)
    Hina (never defeated that I'm aware of, at the very least she's still alive)
    Rammot (Killed by Killua once he removed the needle with a single head rip in an instant without hatsu)
    Ikalgo (Defeated by Killua, later defeated I believe 2 squadron leaders)
    Ortho Siblings (killed by Killua and only gave Killua a tough time because their ability is 100% hax and they were nowhere near Killua in the manga)
    Pike (Nearly killed by Pokkle before he got his hatsu, killed by Shizuku is a difficult fight)
    Maybe the Beetle Chimera Ant that farted at Killua (which was a surprise attack) (unknown fate)

    Soldier ants that the genei ryodan fought:
    Boki and Pell (Killed by Shalnark)
    Gorilla (Killed by Phinks)
    Gun-trotting ant (Killed by Bonolenov)

    Phinks defeated a soldier ant. Zazan is a squadron leader who is among the weakest squadron leaders physically since she's a manipulator who focused on turning humans into zombies so isn't combat focused even. She had one officer, and that was Pike. The rest were zombie humans and soldier ants.
    A side note, Killua and Gon are VASTLY stronger than Zazan based on the stat chart.

    So yeah, Killua was wiping out soldier ants stronger than gorilla by the dozens even when they teamed up on him.
     
  11. Tom Servo Pants Pants Pants Pants

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    You're definitely misunderstanding something.The ant that Phinks killed was one of Zazan's elite directly under her it clearly wasn't a grunt...and going the wiki hasn't been a good source for anything given the massive amount of liberties new fans have been taking with it. 2nd of all Killua is on par with Squadron Leaders, Feitan was making sport with one and defeated her with one of the weaker ranges of his hatsu even when she was enhanced Phinks scales to Feitan since they're roughly similar and the gorilla ant literally didn't cause Phinks any issues whatsoever his base punches just didn't do much because of its natural iron skin once nen was involved the gorilla practically shat his pants and ran...Then there's the fact that Phinks in his base is physically stronger than Hisoka who is >=Killua as well...
     
  12. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    It wasn't an elite, it was a soldier ant.

    Zazan is a manipulator who was trying to use physicality to defeat feitan.
    I don't see how those soldier ants were any different than say the Armadillo that Gon literally squeezed to death with pure strength. The gorilla showed himself inferior in skill to the ones killua was wiping out and inferior in skill, ability, and strategy to the ones gon defeated 1 v 2.

    I'd compare the gorilla phinks defeated to the snake that gon defeated, and if either have an advantage, I'd give it to the snake.


    There are variances within the strength within a rank (excluding clear exceptions like melereon who is built around hax)
    Like you won't see me argue that:

    Can defeat the gorilla.

    However Killua and Gon defeated stronger soldier ants in the form of the Armadillo, Owl, Bat, the small force that Killua defeated, also looking back he uses 15 rotations and said half would have been enough, meaning phinks needed 7-8 rotations to defeat the gorilla who literally showed nothing as far as skill, meanwhile the ones killua fought in that group were flipping around trees, using stealth, were skillfully using weapons and teamwork, etc. That gorilla soldier ant was a relevant soldier ant, but he wasn't a particularly strong one either. The beetle's fart did more damage than the 15 rotations that was double what phinks needed. Ultimately phinks vs killua would involve phinks not being able to rotate his arm 2 times before his head is ripped off versus a serious killua.

    I'd say the soldier ants that ganked killua were around the same level if not higher than the gorilla, while the rest of the core ones were stronger, none of the soldier ants were officer level though.

    Now that I've looked into it, I view it as so for soldier ants:
    Beetle > Bat and Owl > Rhino > Mosquitto > Baro > Snake > The individuals in the Killua gank squad crew > Centipede > Gorilla > Boki > Rest that we are aware of

    Beetle showed the most raw damage and is particularly dangerous with his poop ball and everything. He also showed himself to be pretty intelligent.
    Bat and Gorilla both had very powerful hatsu and were exceptionally skilled, most effective at night. First strategy involves the bat making so much noise with it's wings while the owl is 100% stealth with his wings and does stuff like nail the target with his feather stabs while the bat is so fast and also uses sound as a method of awareness and so forth. By fast I mean vanishing fast, fast that she can appear a distance away in an instant when gon turned to attack. Their true method of attack is the owl turning into a buff gorilla form and attacking gon on such a level that he could match Gon somewhat in a cqc while the bat has literal sound based damaging attacks that even when gon blocked his ears with pieces of his clothes that also had water on them (water is good at canceling out sound, which was ingenious by gon), he still was physically hurt by it. Also despite them going at him with all these attacks, Gon was stated to be undamaged. The only reason Gon didn't defeat the owl was because he knew the bat would fly off so he used a damn tree to create a giant wind blast that not only 100% threw off the bat's sonor or whatever, it also outright defeated the bat, the wind of gon swinging a fucking tree was lethal to one of the most impressive soldier ants. Then Gon beat the owl easily.
    The Rhino specifically stated he was 10 times stronger than Baro, who has shown himself above the likes of the gorilla at least in raw strength through his rolls, but also his defense while rolled up.
    Mosquitto is honestly just a powerscale + she has the lethality aspect of her poison tail and is particularly sneaky about it and is quite skilled.
    Snake demonstrated he was stronger than any of the soldier ants the genei ryodan fought by his rapid fire ping pong game he did around the darkness on trees and so forth, but was easily overpowered by a casual gon with not even any visible nen, just a comic relief overpower. It was obvious the snake was one of the so called relevant soldier ants though.
    The killua gank squad were heavily skilled pretty much ninja soldier ants who were extremely effective in groups, were very fast, very stealthy, etc.
    Centipede was extremely fast, had many arms, survived getting cut in half, etc.
    Gorilla and Boki are pretty interchangeable
    Rest are pretty irrelevant.

    Also lol at natural iron skin, Killua ripped the head off of arguably the strongest officer instantly without a hatsu.

    Hisoka's physical strength isn't too relevant, uvo was the physical strongest and he lost against yorkshin kurapika, current kurapika is stronger than zazan but weaker than the palace invasion force based on the stat chart. Hisoka's strength isn't what makes him lethal, nor is it what makes chrollo lethal, that being said, Gon has more physical strength than Uvo at this point.

    Feitan almost lost to Zazan, who is one of the weaker squadron leaders, Killua, Gon, Knuckle, Shoot, etc are confirmed stronger than Zazan.
     
  13. snakeeater Well-Known Member

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    Can you prove this? It was never stated what rank the gorilla was.

    Zazan was using her stinger to fight, which is what she uses to stab and manipulate people with. The physicality was necessary in order to stab Feitan and manipulate him.
     
  14. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    The only officer that Zazan had was Pike.

    Honestly it's pretty obvious, Pike was the only one even highlighted among them, the rest were literally just random chimera ants found throughout the hideout. They weren't some elite force, they were just scattered soldier ants while the officer that was there was guarding zazan and had authority over them.

    Squadron Leader: Zazan
    Officer: Pike
    Soldier Ants: Rest

    Also as far as trying to use her having to stab someone as evidence that she's physically strong, shalnark also needs to to pierce someone to control them, doesn't mean he's a physical fighter. Zazan physically is probably the weakest squadron leader and her fight consisted of her trying to power her way through feitan (which was working cuz chimera ants are very strong, especially squadron leaders)

    I mean damn, the gorilla crab wasn't even hyped up, nor was boki and the others. Bonolenov even failed to kill the gun trotting chimera ant with his first hatsu attack, who was part of pike's crew (further emphasis of him being a soldier ant) back when pokkle was dealing with the chimera ants. The rest were subordinate to Pike.
     
  15. snakeeater Well-Known Member

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    Squadron leaders have more than one officer. Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. We never see Cheetu's officers, for example.

    Anyway, the rank doesn't really matter.

    Again with your dishonest downplay. How is Zazan the weakest squadron leader when there is Cheetu and Meleoron and Welfin? When she transforms, she's likely the strongest as well.

    Bonolenov failed his first attack because he didn't crush the head. He clearly pierced the chimera ant, though, so it's not like he failed to pierce it.
     
  16. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    1) The only squadron leader who has been shown to have more than 1 officer is Leol, and Rammot even threatened to leave his squadron leader to join Leol's crew.
    2) She directly left the queen and meruem's side, her underlings would only be the most loyal, the rest would stay under the stronger and higher up in the hierarchy character. Squadron leaders are that, squadron leaders, ie generals, they aren't kings upon themselves. She left and Pike stayed with her out of pure loyalty. I mean let's look at her forces, did we even see any more people with her besides the like 5 soldier ants and pike? That could have literally been all that went with Zazan in the first place, Zazan using her power to create new soldiers under her out of need.

    Rank does matter, you just dont' want it to matter because you want to suck on some genei ryodan cock.

    How is she the weakest?
    Cheetu literally has never been hit fairly, his speed surpasses even pitou's and his reaction time is up to scale with his speed, he was literally having internal dialogue with himself as he watched knuckle's fist come at him. We can also gauge that his physical stamina is up to par since his "game" is so long. Pouf even invented the Cheetu hatsu with the field and the time limit, meaning if you can't catch Cheetu during that time period, you're pretty much going to die or suffer a fate worse than death, if not directly feed into cheetu's power.

    Don't even try to argue Meleoron, Meleoron is built around hax, he himself said he was as weak as a soldier ant physically. However you physically can't see, hear, smell, sense, or anything. He literally makes no traces including footmarks and so forth. He pretty much just sneaks up on her and cuts her throat open if he wanted to do that.

    As far as Welfin is concerned:
    He isn't a fighter (neither is zazan), but his ability can defeat her though. If she attacks him or lies once his ability is activated, she's pretty much doomed, the missiles auto lock and keep going even if he loses track of the target and once it hits any move on Welfin involves the parasites growing and killing the target. Welfin also has shown to have some strong speed going for him. The fight between them would be debatable.

    Bloster outright beats Zazan, his physical defense outshines Zazan's physical defense and he has more damage, maneuverability, and also has ranged attacks.


    Overall Zazan is the weakest, if not one of the weakest. Though she can probably edge out the ones who didn't develop a hatsu like the turtle, I can honestly see Yunju beating Zazan even though he didn't develop one. And Peggy probably is more of a strategist or something.

    Bihorn was listed as being the one with the most raw strength so he crushes her.
    Alligator would without a doubt crush her defense with a bite and would have stronger physical defense than she does.
    Cheetu just speed blitzes everyone and no one can touch him.
    Colt by gut instinct is probably the strongest (overall)
    Leol seemingly has higher stats than her due to his whale killing ability deep in the ocean + just his hatsu he stolen makes him one of the strongest
    Bloster is literally just a superior version to zazan's final form
    Rest are unknowns or meleoron

    The soldier ant got up like nothing happened so nope, it literally only pushed him back, the soldier ant even said "if that is the pride of your tribe, you must not have much pride", the attack didn't even impress the soldier ant =w=


    Zazan is objectively not the strongest when she transforms, that's just a stupid argument.
     
  17. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    Killua would currently be the third strongest. Under Chrollo and Illumi
     
  18. snakeeater Well-Known Member

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    So you think other officers don't exist because they weren't shown? Does that mean that Cheetu didn't have officer ants under his command even though he's a squadron leader?

    It doesn't matter in terms of strength and combat ability, which you seem to think it does. Meleoron was as strong as a soldier ant. Ikalgo defeated two squadron leaders, Bloster and Welfin. Peggy wasn't really a fighter, either. Cheetu punches like a bitch. Bihorn, the strongest squadron leader, can't escape Pike's webs. Rammot seems to be pretty strong as well. Rank isn't the be-all and end-all.

    I was clearly talking about physical strength, but you somehow turned it into overall combat strength. Again with your dishonest arguments.

    What durability feats does Bloster have that would put him above Zazan?

    LOL

    It's a piercing attack, and it clearly succeeded in piercing the chimera ant. It failed because Bonolenov didn't crush its head.

    What other squadron leader has a power-up ability that massively boosts physical strength and durability? She sacrificed her ability to turn people into soldier ants and be a queen, and her beauty, which means a lot to her, in order to gain a massive boost in power. We know that Nen is stronger if you risk something important to you. In her transformed state, she's definitely the overall strongest squadron leader in terms of combat power.
     
  19. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    Zazan's only officer was Pike, none of the people the genei ryodan fought were hyped up as anything but random chimera ants that they found while going in their direction. Also the gun trotting chimera ant that bonolenov fought was objectively a soldier ant, he was literally one of the subordinates of pike during the pokkle incident and none of the other chimera ants proved themselves over him. Sorry but those were soldier ants, and they didn't even have the feats of soldier ants like the snake, owl, and bat. Nor is a gorilla known for it's durability like say an armadillo.

    Meleoron had hax, how many times do I have to say this, it's fucking obvious.
    Ikalgo defeated two squadron leaders and he'd have defeated Zazan too. Ikalgo can literally take over corpses and had a fucking tank, I don't know how you watched the Ikalgo fights and saw anything but the squadron leaders being vastly stronger than him. Honestly it's just further evidence that you know you're wrong, but you're willing to twist information just to wank off the genei rydoan.

    What evidence is there that peggy isn't a fight? He got killed by Meruem before he did anything.

    Cheetu punches like a bitch? That's nice and all, but Cheetu can hit Zazan 100,000 times before she can hit him, and his ability pretty much objectively has a lethal ending to it when she can't catch him.

    Did you seriously just make up a Pike vs Bihorn feat? Why do I waste my time on trash like you?

    Outside of Meleoron, no character can overpower someone with a stronger rank. Ikalgo beat 2 lower end squadron leaders with strategy and was on the losing end of said fights pound for pound. No soldier ant has shown a feat that suggests they can beat any officer ant. Sorry but you're just desperately trying to pretend that the random soldier ants the genei ryodan came across are secretly royal guard or squadron leader level, it's fucking retarded.

    Physical strength isn't the be all end all, sorry but Zazan is one of the weaker squadron leaders, nor does she even have a single strong strength feat in the least.

    Tanking nen snipes. He also showed vastly superior speed and damage output along with ranged.

    You say lol but you know I'm right.

    It did no damage to the regular soldier ant.

    Zazan when faced with her weakness, created a hatsu that took away her ability to create zombies to create a simple shell to allow herself to not be cut by feitan's attack, that is all. Her strength didn't go up, nor did her durability. She simply formed a shell. The ko failed which meant that he had no nen in the rest of his body, then she hit him, and it didn't even end the fight despite the fact that ko puts 100% of the nen that you usually have spread around your body for defense and stuff into the point of attack to make it stronger. She didn't get a super form, she just formed a shell out of a last ditch effort hatsu, it's no different than cheetu developing the crossbow hatsu.
    She is in no way the strongest, the simple fact is that she only did moderate damage even after he was 100% vulnerable to her attack.

    Leol wouldn't even need his water, he'd literally pierce her with just a harpoon throw.
    Bloster would crack through her shell with nen blasts.
    Cheetu would outlast her till the effect pretty much kills her or something or he'd simply hit her till she cracks open or shoots her with crossbows or whatever
    Welfin's ability would pretty much ignore the shell and would grow inside her head to kill her.
    etc

    Zazan isn't the strongest squadron leader, she's not even a mid leveled squadron leader, even after her powerup. You just don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you never do.
     
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  21. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    Albeit I can see Killua actually being somewhat equal with Illumi now.
     
  22. Fry J Vigilant

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    Putting Killua over Feitan? I think their even speed wise:leo
     
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    It's debatable tbh. Killua's portrayal in the election arc wasn't as great as his feats in the CA arc.
     
  24. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    He wasn't allowed to fight any of the butlers or illumi due to the rules of his family, it's why illumi got hisoka to fight.

    Killua was 100% willing to throw down with Illumi if it wasn't for that restriction. Pretty much Illumi could kill It but Killua couldn't touch Illumi.
     
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