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Kingdom

Discussion in 'Akihabara Library' started by Reznor, Jul 21, 2014.

Who do you want to lead during the first unification war?

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  3. Ousen

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  1. perman07 Per ler mer

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    Yeah, well... I got nothing:meh
     
  2. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    + superior in numbers.
     
  3. BlueDemon Demon

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    But it's not like everybody came at them at once. Also, it was just a regular raid. Don't blow this out of proportions (I mean, no elites, no commanders etc.)

    Kingdom vol. 50 Cover:


    Kingdom live action movie cast (got it from MF and they got from tieba, credits@magaxking):

     
  4. Pirao Trollslayer

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    Heki and his men remarked several times that the Quan Rong cavalry had big numbers, so it was an attack by a substantial force of much stronger soldiers. That normal soldiers stopped them so easily isn't consistent with what the manga has shown so far.
     
  5. BlueDemon Demon

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    They showed up with double the number expected, but a cavalry line can't simply become twice as big, do you understand what I mean?
     
  6. Pirao Trollslayer

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    No, I don't think I do.
     
  7. Morglay .

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    There is a limited front on which an engage can be held according to the terrain of the field/desired strike point. Therefore there will be a limit to the length of the cavalry line. So instead of the line getting infinitely larger there comes a point where they just have to increase the number of lines instead. So strategies that utilise numbers on such a field are essentially: "Throw bodies at the problem until the problem goes away."
     
  8. Pirao Trollslayer

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    Heki is not holding a chokepoint or anything of the like from what I can see, so hmm, how would that affect this situation exactly?
     
  9. BlueDemon Demon

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    The terrain, more or less.
    --------------------------------------------------- Double the numbers or whatever
    ---------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------- Quanrong Cavalry line
    --------------------------------------------------- Heki Defense
    --------------------------------------------------- Less people

    You get what we're saying now? So them thwarting the initial attack doesn't have to do anything with superior numbers just yet. That comes into play when Heki's people will get tired but more and more Quanrong can go at them.

    That's at least how I'm understanding the current situation.
     
  10. Pirao Trollslayer

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    The deeper the formation the more impetus the cavalry charge would have, and more difficulty for infantry to surround the cavalry when they collide. A deep formation is advantageous in itself, so I'm still not seeing how what happened in this chapter makes sense.
     
  11. BlueDemon Demon

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    Weren't we talking about numbers now, and not strength?
     
  12. Pirao Trollslayer

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    And the deeper formation is talking about numbers. If you don't have the numbers you can't have a deep formation. I'm adressing the graphic you made and explaining why the length of the line is irrelevant since numbers are going to help you in that situation even if you are not trying to flank the enemy.
     
  13. Pirao Trollslayer

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    Spoilers are out, we're finally going back to the good stuff :bury
     
  14. Mythoclast Incredibilis!!

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    Really,Gakuei is their target?:tiredpepe
     
  15. Pirao Trollslayer

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    Well he's easy to kill and we have seen what killing a general does to his soldiers, taking a few thousand soldiers out of the game without much risk isn't a bad strategy. Though I worry about Akou's health while Shin and Ouhon are away from him since Riboku is targetting him.
     
  16. Mythoclast Incredibilis!!

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    Who's the one that'll be aiming to kill Gakuei?
     
  17. Pirao Trollslayer

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    I imagine both Ouhon and Shin will play a part, as usual. Though personally killing would be Ouhon, I guess, since he's the one who chose Gakuei to kill first.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2018 at 4:29 AM
  18. BlueDemon Demon

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    Spoiler:

    Really, is this a spoiler? =/

    First of all, I have pretty much no idea about military tactics and strategy. And secondly, we've only seen like two charges. What you say might come true soon enough, but for the start of the battle it should be irrelevant, right? Otherwise I just misunderstood your explanation.
     
  19. Pirao Trollslayer

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    Well, it's not like RL tactics have ever applied in Kingdom other than in a very superficial sense, so talking about tactics doesn't mean much anyways. I just wanted to illustrate that superior numbers is advantageous even if you don't use them efficiently (since if they had superior numbers, the QR should have pretty much flanked Heki's forces in that situation which it seems they didn't).

    What I meant is that last chapter's showing is inconsistent with what Kingdom has shown before (ie elite cavalry smashing normal infantry). People are free to disagree, of course.

    But enough about that, let's talk about who'll get the honour of claiming Gakuei's head :bury
     
  20. Pirao Trollslayer

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    Chapter is out guys. Poor Gakuei, he's about to get gangbanged.

    And RIP Akou.
     
  21. Mythoclast Incredibilis!!

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    Gakuei for Akou is a terrible tradeoff.
     
  22. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    First of all, I am genuenly disappointed that the battlefield shifted from Yotanwa army to Qin's right wing.

    Second, I didn't like the fact Shin didn't say anything when OuHon bashed Ten.

    Third, I think there was a strong implication that Bananji has a berserk mode. I wonder exactly who is going to take him out in that mode.

    Fourth, I don't believe Akou will die. But the plan to slay GakuEi will probably go down the drain. Or either HSU or GHU will go to save Akou while the other deals with GakuEi army.
     
  23. PoinT_BlanK Ed Woodward fanclub

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  24. Pirao Trollslayer

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    Probably he didn't want to start shit with Ouhon, since Akou doesn't seem like he would be very tolerant of their usual antics.
     
  25. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    Nah, it's just his basic self. He suffers from lack of confidence against OuHon.
     
  26. BlueDemon Demon

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    Oh man, I hope they won't kill off Akou too. But it does look like things will get worse before they get better. Maybe Shin gets his True General Moment (TM) while turning the tide around and either defending Akou or killing off a general/decimating a few armies in the aftermath.

    It's not like he can keep up with his strategical skills anyway. His instinct hasn't developed that far yet. Although his knowledge would probably also have to grow a little..
     
  27. perman07 Per ler mer

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    Ehm, where the hell is Ousen again? Feel like we haven't seen him in a long time, but Riboku is obviously busting moves...
     
  28. BlueDemon Demon

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    He's waiting for the right moment...letting Riboku win a few battles, then he'll sweep in and win the war :bury
     
  29. Pirao Trollslayer

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    Spoilers are out, Gakuei is going after Shin to avenge Keisha.
     
  30. BlueDemon Demon

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    Why am I even trying anymore? Can a mod please put "Spoiler discussion" too in the title if nobody wants to use the tags?
     

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