Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Munboy Dracule O'Brian, Jul 13, 2018 at 7:02 AM.
Kisame likely dies to Jinton after fighting for a while
Kisame holds his own for a while before he gets erased by Jinton..Onoki can also use Stone Golems as distraction to weigh him down from behind using Kajugan or punches a hole through his chest with his rock fist jutsu
Jinton rip's through anything he conjures.
Samehada walls everything onoki does.
Kisame gets overwhelmed by Jinton.
Care to explain why? Everyone else ITT seems to be confident that Samehada wouldn't be able to do so.
Samehada has an aura from which it absorbs, as shown when it absorbed Itachi's fireball.
Jinton will never touch it.
Thus it can't destroy it.
His Golem is one shot Ponta style.
Restrict Samehada and Daikodan and Onoki will win.
With these things up Kisame's sleeve though he's never in any real danger.
What about the chakra limit as shown against Bee?
Flight > Swimming and Kisames ground based AOE arsenal
Doton > Suiton
Jinton > Basically everything thats not a TSB
Ohnoki can OHKO from a distance or in CQC via weighted boulder
Hes a tier higher than someone on Kisames level
There is objectively nothing Kisame can do here, sooner or later he is outplayed, clone feinted and/or weighted down long enough to get Jinton GGd
Do you think Jinton>V2 cloak in chakra?
Kisame and Samehada don't have resistance to molecular level attack and flying makes Kisame's arsenal useless and there is experience difference.
Kisame doesn't need Daikodan or Samehada.
He can absorb chakra through his skin
Remember when Samehada negged Naruto's entire chakra in one swipe and he couldn't even mold chakra afterwards?
Kisame throws Samehada at Onoki...
Kisame can absorb chakra through his skin, Kisame is larger than Samehada, therefore has a better absorption AoE
SAMEHADA throws KISAME at Ohnoki to ensure he doesnt miss any Jinton
Kisame holds his own for a while then onoki beats him
That instance showed there's a limit to the volume of chakra Samehada can absorb. Does Jinton use less chakra than V2?
Frankly speaking, I don't see why Samehada can't absorb Jinton, the sword to instantly absorb something of V1 cloak level and the chakra quantity inside Jinton should be a joke in comparison.
However, Onoki can still use it to effortlessly erradicate Kisame's AoE, Daikoudan can be dodged and thanks to his superior experience and intelligence, the Tsuchikage can pretty much trap him with Kajugan no Jutsu.
It won't be easy giving the matchup although Onoki is notably stronger going by portrayal.
What about when Bee used it on Itachi's Katon?
Also what about the volume of chakra in Jinton?
What when Bee was assaulted with multiple ninjutsu from the Jins without Samehada absorbing an inch ? He simply doesn't know how to use it, it's not a coincidence if only talented ninjas could master one of the seven legendary swords only after a long and harsh training on top of being helped by Kirigakure's knowledge and experience about them.
It's surely leeps and bounds lower than V1 cloak.
Kisame had it passively absorb absorb chakra, and he still needed to use it to shave V1. Bee literally used it to slash through a jutsu, which is similar to a scenario that Kisame would face ITT.
You'd say it uses less chakra despite being known to be considerably chakra draining i.e. indicative of a lot of chakra? How do you determine that's less than V1?
Bee just sliced Itachi's Katon in half, it didn't actually absorb it.
And why it didn't "passively" absorb the chakra when other Jins launched their respective ninjutsu.
Jinchuriki cloaks were always viewed as an insane chakra in both volume and potency, even Onoki's full chakra levels doesn't come close to it, meaning a single shot of Jinton is nothing in comparison.
That was only possible because Samehada did absorb chakra; Bee's normal sword wouldn't have done that.
Unsure, maybe he didn't use it?
We know V2 has insane volumes of chakra and it was well above the limit Samehada could handle. How do we know Oonoki going full force with Jinton isn't within that zone Samehada can't handle?
Onoki is both old and was never ever hyped for having incredible chakra levels, so of course I won't give him more than average stamina.
Well, unless you wanna make some favoritism
Or simply, it sliced the Katon with its brute force or at worst cases, Samehada can't absorb a lot of chakra without the help of the caster, or Katon is especailly hard to absorb for it. Many possible reasons.
But, Bee not being very effective with it doesn't mean Kisame, who has far superior feats and hype in terms of Samehada usage, can't handle Jinton.
How can we give him average when Jinton uses a crazy amount of chakra?
Bu that logic Bee could've replicated that with Zabuza's sword... but it was the sword that could absorb he used. Why should we assume Bee didn't use it to absorb?
Though I will agree re the skill seeing as he could have blocked instead of slashing.
which jutsu did it come in contact with there that it could have absorbed specifically ?