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Kizaru vs Shanks

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Goodboy, Jun 20, 2019.

Who would win?

  1. Kizaru

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  2. Shanks

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  1. Goodboy

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    Just curious...
    How would battle go? How can shanks deal with overpowered devil fruit of kizaru....What can admiral come up with , when fighting against an emperor?
     
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  2. Shishio ishere

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    Prime Shanks ~ Kizaru > Cripple Shanks = Fujitora
     
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    You think he was stronger 12 years ago than he is now?
     
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    I don't know whether he was stronger back then, but it's certainly not impossible. Shanks was a yonkou at that point, and still had his dominant hand.
    Either way, Shanks probably never realized his true potential.
     
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    I will state a few things before I answer my question
    ->Shanks Vivre card that states that Shanks has been an emperor for 14+ years right?
    ->Mihawk vivre card that claims "Mihawk is waiting for swordsman stronger than his rival red hair Shanks to give him a challenge" right?
    -> Shanks was a promising rookie at the age of 14 in Gol D Roger's ship right?
    ->I don't think there will be another time skip and Zoro and Luffy will become WSS and Pirate King respectively in their early 20s.
    ->Shanks is currently 39 years old right? That would mean he would be in his late 20s 12 years ago?

    With all that yes Shanks was in his prime 12 years ago before he lost the arm and with loss of one arm, he is weaker now like any human top tier would be, be it Mihawk or Garp or Dragon or Rayleigh or Roger.
     
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    I wouldn't call Luffy and Zoro's situation the norm. The other Supernovas were considered rookies as well and some of them were older. And yet they still got stronger after the timeskip just like everyone else.

    I don't think age acts quite as much of a limit in the One Piece world as it does in ours. The age where characters are considered past their prime is far higher, because it's not just the body itself that needs to get stronger. Ambition, willpower, mental fortitude...these are all things that have a direct correlation with the strength of one's Haki in the One Piece world. Haki itself is referred to as the strength of one's spirit, and unlike the body, that's something that keeps growing with time.

    Whitebeard himself was 72 when he died, which means he was around 50 when Roger died. Well past the age where you'd think any fighter would retire, at least in our world. And yet he was still considered to be in his prime when Roger was alive.

    Luffy and Zoro are special cases because they've been through so much at a relatively young age, which allows the strength of their spirit to grow alongside the strength of their bodies. Most rookies don't grow as fast as they do. Not even Ace did.

    Shanks might be one of those special cases, who knows. It's not a certainty though.

    Anyway, on topic, I give this to Shanks high difficulty. The Marines had 2 Admirals in prime condition at the end of the Marineford war, but Sengoku still stopped it when he arrived. I doubt he would have done that if a single Admiral could take him down. Considering the relatively small size of his crew, I'd go as far as to say that he wouldn't be a Yonko if that was the case.
     
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    Shanks, at age 27, was a yonkou and rival to Mihawk. He had already had legendary duels. Now, it's very possible that he still had room to grow at that point. He probably still had some unrealized potential. Except he sacrificed that potential for Luffy. He gave up his dominant arm. At that point, Mihawk lost interest in fighting Shanks, and decided to wait for someone who surpassed his old rival. This heavily implies that Shanks peaked at age 27.
     
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    I ll give it to Kizaru as Shanks has only one arm. Anyway all that Mihawk situation is unclear. Yes,now he waits for a true champion to face him and challenge for WSS title (so in his eyes Shanks isn't worthy). But may be they used only swords in their duels (though unlikely,as they both are haki masters and have no DF)?We don't know much about their duels and Shank's fighting style.
     
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    Why would they not use haki? Haki is a crucial part of high level swordsmanship. Do you think they also blindfolded themselves while they fought?
     
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    Not all types may be?Mihawk can't use CoC. But anyway CoC is trash at that lvl. (Chinjo vs Luffy kinda proves it). They very likely used CoO and CoA.
     
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    Why would some types be allowed but not others? Do you think Zoro is planning to avoid using CoC (or other types of haki) when he fights Mihawk?
     
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    Zoro can't use CoC at least for now. As for Mihawk I don't know can't remeber his vivre card entry.
     
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    I wasn't suggesting that they can use CoC (well, Zoro probably can, but that's irrelevant). I don't get why haki would be banned from swordfights. There's never been any indication that haki of any sort wouldn't be allowed in a swordfight. Haki is a supplement to any fighting style. Having good haki is like having good eyesight.
     
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    Tough to say. Shanks probably has the haki requirements to deal with Kizaru's speed and his lasers, but with only one arm... I don't know.

    I'm gonna say Shanks until we see more of them, but I'm very doubtful of it.
     
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    Shanks very high diff.
     
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    Shanks mid-high diff
     
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    Shanks mid diff IMO
     
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    Shanks with extreme diff
     
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    Shanks winning with medium difficulty is absurd. There is nothing that says he is that far above other Yonkirals.
     
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    Can go either way.
     
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    Shanks > Rayleigh = Kizaru

    Extreme diff win
     
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    Either way, extreme diff.
     
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    Shanks wins, at least high difficulty. Still peg Admirals to be on the same level as YK but excepting for the FA, leaning towards the YK in a 1 vs 1.
     
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    Shanks
     
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    Kizaru the guy who is constantly gets paired against FM and gets stalled by them vs Shanks the guy who is MC's idol, Wearer of Strawhats(which might indicate PK potential even though he doesn't have it now) and who stopped the war by arriving at it.
    Kizaru can not compete with Shanks in terms of hype and portyal. He legit can't. Shanks is infinitely more important to plot. The fact it will take PK level BB to beat him should tell you something.
    So yeah it is pure fanboyism to say Kizaru wins here. You can argue Kizaru puts very good fight sure but no way he is winning.
    Oda will never ever write that fight with Shanks losing.
    Shanks wins with High diff.
     
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    Shanks will stomp or worst case scenario mid diff
     
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    Can go either way extreme difficulty.

    Favoring Shanks as he was the successor of Rogers SH.

    Or beating another top tier (Shanks in this case) will make BB PK level.
     
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    What you are saying actually supports my argument.
    Shanks has to have very very powerful even by Yonkou standards if beating him places you on PK level.
    There are multiple examples of one Top tier beating another Top tier but we don't consider them PK level.
    So yeah Shanks has extreme hype and portyal and there is no way in hell he loses. He has too much of plot importance for that.
     
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