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Koch Brothers Conduct Survey: Most Americans Support $15 Minimum Wage, Free College and Healthcare

Discussion in 'The NF Café' started by EJ, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. EJ T A H I T I

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    The Kock Brothers Commissioned a Survey of Americans and Found Most Like a $15 Minimum Wage, Free College,
    and Universal Health Care


    The results of the Koch brothers fighting Donald Trump.

    Let them fight. :hoho
     
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  2. Chie Well-Known Member

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    We have citizens who don't know how many sides there are to a triangle and can't point out their own country on a map, what hopes of comprehending the ramifications on the market the tax increases necessary to pay for the whole shebang could they possibly have?

    "You need an emergency treatment? I'm sorry but our clinics are full and our doctors underpaid."

    "You want an education? You'll have to wait in line for 10 years for that."

    "But that's $15 is nice, right? Well it would be if you had a job. Btw, we can't afford welfare anymore."
     
  3. makeoutparadise I will have my revenge

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    Free healthcare and college can work you just dont want it to
     
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  4. RavenSupreme Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much this. It’s not a financial thing. It’s a cultural one
     
  5. makeoutparadise I will have my revenge

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    Canada, Norway, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, England, Germany, France.
    All of them have one or both of these things they are free countries they are not venazuela or some other third world dirt pile.
    It works.
     
  6. wibisana still newbie

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    The country will go bankrupt :angrywife

    Let us spend more money on bomb
    And space force:edu
     
  7. Roman Heart of Fire

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    I see fake Chie is at work today.

    This literally never happens in countries with free healthcare. Just look at Canada and European countries.

    I've literally never heard of anything like this and I'm pretty sure you haven't either.

    You seem to be basing this (and maybe he points above) off of failed economies in South America as if they're the definitive example of what happens in countries that adopt these policies. Needless to say you're wrong.
     
  8. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    Yeah all we really do have to do is slightly reduce our military spending.
     
  9. Mider T Busting in and out of guts

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    Its definitely growing. This is the first time I've seen it above 50%
     
  10. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    A KOCH BROTHER Study? Do they fear the Grim Reaper and Eternal Damnation?
     
  11. Wolfgang Grimmer Magnificent Steiner

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    but america can afford putting fucking militaries in space right lmao
     
  12. Chie Well-Known Member

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    It does. The healthcare queues in Canada is a catastrophe, with some people having to wait years for certain treatments, and the checks and treatments are just above par, and with proper treatments being postponed to save time.

    You're right in that it's not as bad as Venezuela where you're not getting any treatment, but let's not pretend that it's anywhere near the quality of the American healthcare system where emergency treatments are emergent, where you get your appointment the very next weekday, and where you're properly informed of the options for screening and treatments.

    And I'm not even going to touch the Canadian school system and its trans sex kindergartens.

    Yes, because it's for national defense and not to pay for a chain smoker's lung cancer surgery.
     
  13. Inuhanyou Wham

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  14. EJ T A H I T I

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    not to some. :maybe
     
  15. Dragon D. Luffy Lord of Calamity

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    Having quality healthcare is pointless if nobody can pay for it.

    Lines mean you are waiting to get it for free, which is still better than never going to the doctor because you have to sell your kidney to pay for it.
     
  16. Chie Well-Known Member

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    No I fully understand. The homeless, the unemployed, crackheads, are all prone to thievery, and they don't have a firm grasp of how the economy works. They don't understand that if you take money out of the innovators and entrepreneurs we're going to end up like Venezuela.

    A healthcare system has to be affordable to exist. If no one could afford it they wouldn't be making any money.

    The people who suffer are generally junkies, alcoholics, chain smokers...people who don't have any money.
     
  17. Inuhanyou Wham

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    its strange how people don't consider having to pay a major prohibition but even the vague concept of waiting lines scares them...if you need quick help, you get it. its not like they are leaving you to die when you need something done.
     
  18. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    It also means you can get some Pr-Empetive care and not wait until its too fucking late.

    Its not like you don't wait now I wait hours most of the time with fucking Insurance after I fill out the paper work.

    The only time I got quick service was when I had a massive gash over my eye and was half unconsciousness. Possible Brain damage gets you to the front of the line apparently. Oh and when I super young and almost bit my tongue in half. Broken arm or finger though nah I waited so long the pain was numb.
     
  19. EJ T A H I T I

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    there are different stories of people outright refusing emergency care because of the cost of an ambulance. why that isn't reported on, or the fact that thousands of people die on the regular because they don't have healthcare is beyond me.



    don't let individuals who lucked out with generational wealth, and continue to have lived decent lives try to make it seem as though healthcare and education is not a human right. as well as living a life of decency. if these people were to lose all of their assets and belongings by tomorrow, they would opt for some kind of safety net.
     
  20. Chie Well-Known Member

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    Actually people have died waiting in line for healthcare. There have been plenty of documented cases in socialist countries where treatable stages of cancer have developed into incurable death sentences.

    Normal people put half of their salaries in bonds, saving accounts or index funds, so that they never have a problem with things like healthcare.

    The problem is people trying to make ends meet every month and living in apartments they can't afford.
     
  21. Roman Heart of Fire

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    It's better than not being able to get that treatment at all, which is the case in the US if you're unable to pay whatever extreme amount you're charged. I also wonder what treatments you refer to. I get that it can take years for some but emergency treatments are taken care of much quicker than you're letting on.

    Again, this is assuming you have the money for said treatment, cuz you're fucked otherwise. I guess you wouldn't bother considering this since you're rich.

    Lol because that's the worst thing about it isn't it. And how does that have to do with what you originally said about having to wait years for your turn to enter school?
     
  22. Chie Well-Known Member

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    That's because certain treatments are expensive and others shouldn't have to pay for your liposuction because you choose to stuff your face with junk food every day for the last five years.

    Yeah, I imagine most do. But there are good hardworking people that are suffering because of it.

    You don't have to be particularly wealthy. All you need to do is be responsible and put away bit of money every month to cover the cost of the risks your medicinal care doesn't cover.
     
  23. Mr. Black Leg The Ordeal of Love

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    It does in Brazil ... But you know, it's Brazil. Not fucking Sweden.

    WHAT ? THE ACTUAL FUCK ???? Where does this happen at all ? What do you think public education is ?

    Old people, young people, people in general need medical assistance IS NOT FOR SOME AGE GROUP OR A GROUP THAT DOES SOMETHING DAMAGING TO THEIR OWN HEALTH(Like smokers, acoholics, etc).

    I know plenty people who are physically fit, between the ages of 21 to 35 that need medical assitance and are not smokers, junkies or anything like that. Going to the hospital to check things up(Regular routine examination) is a staple of the 21th century in which even if you are ok, you need to check if there's nothing really happening. 6 and 6 months would be the ideal, but you got to go the doctor for testing as much as you can because understand this: going pre-emptive on medical conditions is the best way to stay healthy. Not going when you are having a heart-attack or when you have cancer in the late stages.
     
  24. Yami Munesanzun I am now having ALL teh segzy.

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    @Mr. Black Leg

    Chie has admitted to his parents paying his tuition and boarding expenses.

    Even if not true, he's demonstrated on multiple occasions he has no idea how the world actually works. :catsun
     
  25. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    Makes sense Chie is Trust Fund Baby with no idea about Money, Healthcare or Public Education.
     
  26. Chie Well-Known Member

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    If I'm wrong, then prove it to me.

    Why are all the best schools in the world in the United States, why are the best hospitals in the United States? Why can't socialist schools and clinics compete?

    And why does the wealthy in socialist countries like the UK, Germany and France still send their kids to private schools and private clinics rather than public schools and clinics?
     
  27. RavenSupreme Well-Known Member

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    I take it you never visited or bothered to actually understand something about neither the UK, France or Germany.

    Otherwise you would not call them "Socialist".

    Not to mention your list is not appropriate (aside from the Universities) seeing how you apparently think there is some one-dimensional approach on these matters which in general tiers.

    A quick google told me that the best hospitals are not located in the US. What does this mean? Can you hospitals suddenly "not compete"? After all, Thailand, Shingapore, China, Australia, Mexico, Switzerland, UK France etc. are all ahead of the US. By your own logic (and especially in regards to this thread" the US "can not compete".

    Obvious troll attempt or genuinely unintelligent comment.



    Or if you want a more current ranking, here the same from 2017

    winning applause
     
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  28. Dragon D. Luffy Lord of Calamity

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    Every time you post about these subjects it's like you think everyone who is poor made a pact with the devil to be poor or something.

    The possibility that they did everything they could and were still poor after trying doesn't even come to you. You think life is a predictavle system where everyone who works hard, succeeds. There is no such thing as bad luck, inequality of opportunities, unfairness, nothing. People fail because they suck, and succeed because they are great.

    And this is wrong because external facts exist and the world is an extremely complex system. There is no guarantee that a hard worker will be successful, just like nothing guarantees a slacker will be poor. Often it's the opposite that happens. Capitalist society rewards the crooked ones.

    Maybe you should attempt to be more empathtic? Like, actually look at people and try to understand why they got where they are.

    I dunno, everybody says you are a troll and I usually believe it, but sometimes I get optimistic and try to find humanity in people like you.
     
  29. Dragon D. Luffy Lord of Calamity

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    Or maybe you are just a rich sociopath who gets off on seeing people suffer in the streets. I hate that explanation, but sometimes it's the only one that works.
     
  30. Fruits Basket Fan Well-Known Member

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    You could go by France's hybrid healthcare system. It is a combination of government run hospitals and insurance with private insurers covering the rest (usually 20-25% of the cost).

    France provides healthcare without the long lines (which Canada usually has that problem except if you are in critical condition) by only paying for 75-80% of the bill while allowing private insurers cover the rest or out of pocket. And co-pays for seeing a doctor: it is waive if you are poor, unemployed,or on pension.

    It works because the government mandates the insurers are clear with prices and insurers can usually cover it all because the prices are stated outright and negotiated rather than in the USA which usually do not give you a direct price until after the operation.
     
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