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Living Tobirama assassinates 1RSM Madara

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by t0xeus, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:18 AM.

Does Tobirama succeed?

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  1. t0xeus

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    Exact same scenario, but with Limbo restricted.


    Fight starts like this:


    Take into account the dialogue that takes place after the fight, mainly Madara's implication that Tobirama not nerfed by ET would have an edge over Madara in that scenario:


    I am kinda curious whether there is anyone who actually will go the distance and say that Tobirama loses even here. :hm
     
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    Madara wasn't implying alive Tobirama could pull it off he was just pointing out how they got weaker and he got stronger. Danger sense would still neg. Madara dodged there with low difficulty so he would dodge alive Tobirama with a little more difficulty
     
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    There's no evidence Madara even used Limbo against Tobirama since it happened off panel.
     
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    Why would he say:
    "Whether coincidence or inevitable, I've got the edge right now."
    if he didn't mean that living Tobirama > his current self ?

    It makes no sense in the context you're proposing.

    It is heavily implied.
     
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    Because Tobirama is NOWHERE NEAR Rinnegan Sage Mode Madara
     
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    Tobirama's defeat was too quick and expected, it basically happened over the off panel of very few pages. Madara is someone who goes head to head with Hashirama, the one who Tobirama doesn't even dare talk back when serious, makes no sense for Tobirama to be able to challenge and pose a real threat to him.

    Tobirama himself doesn't even mention anything strange happening off panel, and he doesn't even seem to expect Limbo to intercept Sasuke right after, to me it's plain regular ass whoopin.
     
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    He says "I've got the edge now"
    And then explains it's because of ET that Tobirama&Hashirama are weaker.

    This implies that he does not have an edge over living Tobirama / Hashirama.
     
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    EMS Madara alone was a rival to Hashirama who Tobirama is already weaker than and even feared. Now you give EMS Madara a Rinnegan, Sage Mode, and Hashi boob which grants all Hashirama's power and abilities. And you think Tobirama is anywhere near him or possibly even stronger??
     
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    Showing respect to your elder brother has nothing to do with power. It's the same thing with Rikudo Naruto listening to Kakashi's orders.

    And we don't have to use indirect scaling like that when we have a direct statement from Madara.

    Madara is talking to ET Tobirama. We know for a FACT Living Tobirama is stronger than ET Tobirama, right?

    Madara explains it here:
    "There's a reason why you two can't regain your full power.."

    And he follows up with:
    "I've got the edge now."

    What other conclusion can you reach from this than ET nerf on Tobirama being the thing giving Madara the edge?
     
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    If I remember correctly, you agree with me on this that Tobirama succeeds, @Turrin ?
     
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    In that scenario yes
     
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    another translation he says "there is a GULF (huge difference) between our skills now" which im guessing is closer to the RAW translation, given translations not from VIZ try to translate literally every word. It makes sense since Madara easily defeated him.

    Viz translation tends to simplify the language too much. They even omit certain words.
     
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    Meh, Tobirama himself admitted that he was ET at almost full power.

    "Almost" hardly makes for a big gap considering that Madara handled Tobirama rather easily.

    ET Madara (nerfed by ET) more or less equalled Hashi (nerfed by ET) with the former being restricted by a wood dragon but the latter being restricted by several black rods on his back. Naruto and Sai were needed to break the tie.

    Hashi is stronger than Tobirama with Madara saying how only Hashi can challenge him in terms of power.

    Tobirama is faster than both but superior speed does not mean superiority overall.

    Madara defeats Tobirama with a bit more difficulty this time.
     
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    Yup, that is what I meant.

    Could you clarify which translation is closer to the reality please?
     
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    Been awhile since I read the raw but I don’t think it says huge difference but there is a difference and since Tobirama as an Edo nearly hit Madara even a small difference is all it takes
     
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    ST takes care of what his reflexes can’t

    That’s Madara being Madara, he likes his aikido and toying with his opponents almost to a fault
     
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    To expand on this 1RSM Madara has Durability to face tank bijuu slaps and laugh , then he literally states that he can ignore minor wounds ( which is all Tobirama can inflict from Hiraishin) so I doubt Tobirama is capable of winning

    Gojo countered by ST

    Water countered by Preta, Susano’o or legit ignored due to Hashirama healing

    FTG Slashes are ignored

    meanwhile This

    GG’s Tobirama

    or legit like 5 other things that Tobirama has no answer for
     
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    Madara already beat this clown without Limbo

    Theres a reason Tobirama said literally nothing about “Hey when I tried to hit him a minute ago AN INVISIBLE MADLAD KICKED THE SHIT OUT OF ME...ISNT THAT WEIRD”
     
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    Is it? Sorry if it's been answered further down the thread.
     
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    Tobirama isn’t a founders tier fighter
     
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    I agree, he's High Kage.
     
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    Agreed and there’s no shame in it
     
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    It is because:
    a) Tobirama shows on panel that he's capable of reacting to Madara's attacks point-blank and warping away
    b) the terrain which they fight on is undamaged, meaning they didn't use any large-scale jutsu but simple smaller stuff like CQC
    c) Tobirama shows no surprise when Limbo is used on Sasuke, implying he's seen it
     
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    where did he use limbo on sasuke with tobirama present?
     
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    that's not limbo as sasuke doesn't experience any physical sensation, It looks more like the gravity nature of the rinnegan- similar to how Pain picked up a nail from the ground and launched it at kakashi. or how edo-nagato threw a rock at naruto
     
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    Pein picked it via Bansho Tenin.

    Rinnengan gives you only pushing+pulling abilities in relation to gravity.

    This is obviously Limbo being used.
     
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    Tobirama shit diffs as per canon.
     
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    it's not obvious that it's limbo at all. that looks nothing like limbo.
    we even see sasuke's sword being pulled away similar to bansho tenin technique. sasuke is literally in mid air floating so it's definitely a gravity ability.
     
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