Loki vs Apocalypse (Marvel)

[eaebiakuya]

Who wins this battle?

This is Classic Loki.

 

[Tranquil Fury]

This fight has also happened in the comic once or twice, Apoc won that though(not saying one or two fights should generally mean A>B just mentioning it happened before). At high enough levels his Celestial tech can do stuff like restrain Hulk and capture him to make him War Hulk(which is also a feat of his Celestial tech to an extent) and even survive a blast from Black Bolt with no damage. He recently had encounter with Young Thor(no Mjolnir), where the latter needed a special enchanted Axe(which can kill Celestials) to bypass Apoc's Celestial armor. He's fought certain rosters of X-men but that's not something Loki can't replicate.

He also manhandled young Thor(whose herald level based on some of the stuff we've seen of him) but the latter was drunk and Mjolnir less on their first encounter(to be fair it's stated Thor being drunk helped him not having his head loosened by Celestial armor smashing into it). Young Thor killed him in the second encounter with his enchanted axe.

On average Loki is stronger and more H4X. Some incarnations of Apocalypse could still take it maybe, his power level fluctuates based on his Celestial tech(see plot demands). Loki is also more intelligent.

EDIT If you give Apoc prep and Loki none then I can see Pookie using his Celestial tech properly enough. If both encounter with no knowledge, Loki is much more powerful. Which is basically the scenario anyway so I go with Loki.

 

[eaebiakuya]

This fight has also happened in the comic once or twice, Apoc won that though(.

Well, thats not really a clear win.

He had help + celestial machines + surprise factor. He only hited Loki one time. Was more like stealmate imo.

 

[Tranquil Fury]

I only recall him using his machines to try and kill Loki after he captured him(which failed as a testament to how hard to kill Loki is) but have'nt read the fight in a long time so fair enough.

I'll give it to Loki because he's consistently potrayed as powerful, intelligent, very H4X and has high level artifacts/devices of his own(Plus better prep master but that's a given). Pookie has some moments of being strong but is otherwise very underwhelmingly potrayed/written for one who the Celestials use for their purposes and give their tech too.

Hell even if Pookie amps himself high enough, Loki may still have lots of H4X to take it but I'll give some credit to Apoc's tech and intelligence to say he may have some chance depending on the incarnation.

 

[Gibbs]

Does Apocalypse have his Horsemen?

 

[Tranquil Fury]

Then Loki gets all the things he's created or Empowered like Storm, Durok The Destroyer and such.

 

[Blackfeather Dragon]

This fight has also happened in the comic once or twice, Apoc won that though(not saying one or two fights should generally mean A>B just mentioning it happened before). At high enough levels his Celestial tech can do stuff like restrain Hulk and capture him to make him War Hulk(which is also a feat of his Celestial tech to an extent) and even survive a blast from Black Bolt with no damage. He recently had encounter with Young Thor(no Mjolnir), where the latter needed a special enchanted Axe(which can kill Celestials) to bypass Apoc's Celestial armor. He's fought certain rosters of X-men but that's not something Loki can't replicate.

I'll like to add that it was just not blackbolt he took the blast from it was the combined might of the inhumans and the x-men, I'll really like to see a fight between Jean gray and loki, anyways you are putting way to much stock on loki

On average Loki is stronger and more H4X. Some incarnations of Apocalypse could still take it maybe, his power level fluctuates based on his Celestial tech(see plot demands). Loki is also more intelligent.

stronger in what sense? It can't be physically because in acts of vengeance Loki was struggling to get out of apocalypse's one armed hold in a physical battle apocalypse would make loki his bitch so there's that, mind wise a weakened apocalypse was punking jean grey (remember the chick with the full Phoenix force), heck he could take her and Xavier at the sametime, and see through uatu cloaking field, so it can be mind games

He also manhandled young Thor(whose herald level based on some of the stuff we've seen of him) but the latter was drunk and Mjolnir less on their first encounter(to be fair it's stated Thor being drunk helped him not having his head loosened by Celestial armor smashing into it). Young Thor killed him in the second encounter with his enchanted axe.

thor did not kill apocalypse he simply struck him with and axe and the apocalypse decided he was just going to blow everything up and Thor escaped, this is not something apocalypse hasn't been shown to survive not only that but young Thor admitted that two headbutts from apocalypse (he had no head gear so this was strictly a physical prowess feat) would break his spine

 

[Tranquil Fury]

stronger in what sense?

Stronger in the sense Loki consistently fights characters like Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Doctor Strange, various Avenger rosters, empowered minions of his own(Absorbing man, Storm, Durok the Destroyer etc) and others while having displayed a ton of powers, top level prep and powerful magical artifacts. Pookie could'nt even kill Loki with his celestial machine.

One or four good showings over decades from Pookie don't make him better on average.

Young Thor cut his hand off, he's shown to be on his knees and threatens to blow himself up and Thor up out of desperation and Thor escapes. Him surviving through another body or whatever unknown means won't change the fact he was defeated but I was wrong about him being killed going through Uncanny Avengers #6 again( Thor did'nt kill him and the explosion leaves it vague whether he teleported out, survived or died).

Apocalypse with enough celestial tech being above Loki is possible, some incarnations may just be but not on average.

EDIT Pookie relies more on which host body he has and his celestial tech. He's got good showings(restraining the Hulk, the Inhumans/Black bolt tanking feat, manhandling young Thor, turning Hulk into WarHulk with his celestial tech, stalemating the High Evolutionary though his power levels fluctuate too based on how evolved he is etc) but most of his showings are below herald level while Loki is consistently at that with just his base power levels. Pookie is stronger than mutants like Exodus(Magneto's strongest servant), Stryfe, Mister Sinister etc on average.

Now obviously Pookie with enough Celestial tech is basically covered in Celestial armor so Loki can't hurt him. He'll have to get around that with his H4X if he can.

But on average it's still Loki. With prep for both it's always Loki but if Pookie is basically geared enough to be a mini celestial then I'd give it to him.