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Lucifer Morningstar enters When they Cry (Read OP).

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Voyeur, Jun 14, 2018.

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  1. Voyeur Well-Known Member

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    Before anybody yells rape thread or stomp.

    How far would Lucifer make it in his mortal form relying on his wit and cunning. Can he solo the verse with just sheer wit? Or would he have to resort to using his powers for the top tiers?
     
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    A lot farther than Battler but I've only started Umineko recently.
     
  3. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    How far has his wits got him in his verse?
    How strong is in his normal form?
     
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    He's one of the smartest beings in DC/Veritgo. He's outwitted literal abstract beings who have represented concepts such as nihilism, death, entropy, reality, dreams, and so forth. He's been around as long as basically his universe (DC's multiverse or whatever you want to call it) has been, is just below being all-knowing on cosmic affairs, concepts, realities, and so forth and is one of the most charismatic beings in all of creation. I'd say he's fairly smart. :maybe
     
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    In his normal form he co-created the DC/Vertigo Multiverse with his brother Michael and created the Endless as a result.
     
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    That's pretty impressive.
    So the witches being conceptuals wont pose a problem for him.
    We know Lambda can grant "god" powers to mortals who appeal to her or she finds interesting so he could get her to grant him "godlike" powers thus erasing the lower/mid tier of the verse.
    Not sure how he can beat the upper ecchelons though with "just" that.
     
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    That doesn't sound "mortally" at all :raiden
     
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    You asked what he was able to do in his normal form. His mortal form is him discarding his wings which are the source for most of his power.
     
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    I don't think he can touch the high/top tiers in his mortal form, but with his full powers he can probably clear.
     
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    Then he doesn't even need to appeal to Lambda for him to erase lower ecchelons of the verse..the voyagers are above the endless though so it won't be enough.
     
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    Mortal Lucifer makes it to Mid tiers i guess?

    Lightbringer is an Featherine contender
     
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    How far up there is Featherine? And would he be able to clear the voyagers with his wings or does he stop there?
     
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    So you mean playing Beatrice's game? If so, judging from the above he'll win

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    Beato's game is a setup where she can't win. For there to even be a game, she by default admits she's not a witch. Anyone with far above avg intelligence will clue in, and it's much easier for being who are already supernatural. Only challenge comes from Bern's mystery wing shit she pulled in the last EP
     
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    She's the strongest character that actually appears, the creator is just alluded to and never makes an actual appearance.

    As for Lucifer with wings he would stomp Voyagers, the guy can passively crush characters that embody infinite layers of reality.
     
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    Lucifer with his full power pretty handily curbstomps the Voyagers. I can’t see Featherine doing much to Lucy either tbh.
     
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    im going to avoid the whole "Layers of infinite" because that just sounds like another "How infinite is their infinite?" debate.

    I cant imagine Lucy being treated normally, as bern and lambda would definitely troll him since hed seem interesting for their game. An anomaly seems like something theyd try to fuck up.

    Im not too sure on Lucy, but he definitely seems more tricky and capable at mind games then the voyagers.

    Unless its a straight up fight, then im avoiding that, cause layers of infinite makes my casual mind hurt.

    I could be wrong. Please no bully.
     
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    It's an aleph sets thing. Don't think too much on it right now, we'll be holding a debate on that soon.

    And that only really applies to Lucifer with his Morningstar powers. Depowered Lucifer is way nerfed compared to his full power.

    Far as I know, he's at least universal+ and ridiculously MFTL+ but his prep time and analysis skills are still top notch.
     
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    Aleph sets sounds like itd make me cry.

    Lucifer normal probably cant get past Endless 9 since that seems like something you need to straight up overnuke.

    Unless im remembering it wrong and it has some sort of weakness besides "Just deck battler with normal stuff"
     
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    What are Voyagers feats?? I thought the Endless are stronger than Voyagers
     
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    Umineko works on layers of reality.

    A fragment = Universe or set of universes.

    Beatrice sustains a catbox that contains an infinite amount of fragments (universes). Said infinite multiversal catbox is considered a tiny fragment itself.

    There is a place called the sea of fragments that contains an endless space filled with them. So a sea of catboxes like Beatrice's.

    This sea of fragments can be replicated by a Voyager witch and layered into Umineko's primary story. This story is worth a single volume total

    Featherine owns a library that contains an infinite amount of volumes and Voyager witches can destroy dozens of them and tank those same attacks.
     
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    Thank you but I mean to ask what feats put them above Endless like Bernkastel said
    Endless embodied the infinite layer creation. Are the Voyagers capable of that ???
     
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    So I guess the general consensus is that Lucifer in his mortal form gets to mid tiers, but in his normal form he clears?
     
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    yeah pretty much. Lucifer with his Morningstar powers is just that crazy broken. He has incredibly casual Omniverse level feats that are too much for anyone in Umineko.
     
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    Not everyone

     
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    So the city of books is not beyond the world of witches. It must be just a higher layer that's beyond the territory filled sea of fragments. What exceeds the catbox is the domain of witches and in the domain witches, realms like the meta world and the territory sea of fragments are just layers. Beyond all of this lies an unquantifiable amount of layers, but the known realms that are higher than this are heaven and hell that are connected to the city of books.

    The city of books realm is superior to everything mentioned where each book pretty much eclipses the entirety of Umineko. Iirc, lambdadelta mentioned there's a unnamed higher world that Featherine manifested in where everything mentioned (The witch domain, which includes the city of books) is all but a chessboard in Featherine's perspective.

    If that's the case, then Featherine is undoubtedly "omniversal". Just how far beyond "omniversal" range is lucifer with his full powers?
     
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