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Luffy and Katakuri VS Issho

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Danielguta007, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. Danielguta007 Active Member

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    ISsho is Fujiora
     
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  2. MO Well-Known Member

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    the duo wins. Katakuri gives him a high diff fight by himself imo and adding luffy with his ridiculous endurance and g4 attack power they got this. Plus they both now have fs which is going to be a pain in the ass to deal with, and even if g4 runs out katakuri should easily be able to stall issho long enough for his haki to come back. Katakuri with his trident and sticky ability is going to be annoying to deal with two and his peerless donuts that can come out from any corner. Fuji is going to get overwelmed eventually and lose probably around midd to high diff fight for the duo.
     
  3. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    The team wins in my opinion as any of those characters can arguably individually best Fujitora. Both characters have counters to Meteors and as Sabo can maneuver around gravity Luffy and Lord Katakuri should be able to as well. Both characters also have superior speed, are physically superior, and in Lord Katakuri's case have superior Haki. Both characters have amazing defense as well. :p
     
  4. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Team high to extreme diffs.

    Luffy and Katakuri are both on the precipice of being top tiers, and Luffy's endurance and rubber abilities make him built to fight the abilities of Fujitora.

    But Fujitora's powers are incredibly difficult to deal with, and we saw someone as physically powerful as Zoro pinned down completely, only getting free after he managed to get off an air slash with his arm to stop Fuji. Since he can pull down a meteor, he's probably strong enough to pin one of them down completely, so they can only escape by disrupting him, or by a teammate disrupting him. I also base this off of Katakuri's awakening being able to pin Luffy down to the point that he had to eat his way out. Fujitora's gravity is not weaker than the mochi in terms of weight and how it restricts movement. If he pins and drops a few mets (which he can apparently do with no recharge time) he does massive damage. He also can lift massive amounts of debris up and crash it on team like he did on those fleets of pirates.

    Team needs to use speed and disrupt Fujitora's attacks. He has to go down fast, because as the fight goes on they lose speed, but his hax are still hax. They may stop the first met, but the 5th or 6th will be a doozy.
     
  5. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    When comparing gravity to Mochi it's not just about what's more powerful- although I'm not sure how we can quantify which is more powerful in that specific comparison of how they apply those techniques- Mochi is also sticky which makes it easier to trap characters. :p
     
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    Duo wins mid diff or less, Luffy blitzes Fujitora with snakeman and Katakuri holds him with Mochie.
     
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  7. Milkydean Well-Known Member

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    Duo wins low diff.Both of them are faster than Fujitora and with blitz him real bad.
     
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  8. Ultimate Ningen Banned

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    Dudes are you drunk? Not even a Yonko could blitz an Admiral :drake
    Issho rapes them mid-diff :ufdup
     
  9. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    I think the biggest hole in the “G3 > Fujitora” argument is the fact that G3 Luffy on DR is around the level of some of the VAs.

    Why would Fujitora be brought on if a VA could’ve easily filled his role? Fujitora was implied to be able to beat Doflamingo anytime he felt like it, but he chose not to for his weird sense of justice and so that he could abolish the shichibukai “the right way.” Meanwhile, Doflamingo whipped any iteration of Luffy that wasn’t G4.

    It doesn’t add up. Fuji used no haki, he just blocked and was pushed back, Zoro did the same thing to him, but we don’t think that’s an indicator that Zoro > Fuji.
    Fujitora was 100% portrayed as not really caring about doing anything on DR, and every time he fought, he was either passive or just blocking an attack with just his sword.

    The most he did was drop a met that would’ve soloed Doflamingo and Law if he himself didn’t stop the bulk of it. And he even said that he was just “doing a test.”
     
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  10. Seraphoenix Kaladin Stormblessed

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    Where does this headcannon come from? Unless the VA is Garp he gets btfo.
     
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    Katakuri can give him a good fight on his own. G4 Luffy has top-tier abilities and would give them a comfortable win.
    I don't think Fujitora would last one round against Katakuri and G4 Luffy at the same time, anyway.
     
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    until we see more feats by Issho, I'm inclined to believe Katakuri solos this
     
  13. DiscoZoro20 Ōka Shichibukai

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    I dont think anyone believes G3 Luffy is Superior to fuji. Rather It is implied that Gear 3 luffy is Superior in physical strength which makes Sense given that G3 is a brawler Based technique by a character who also Relies a Lot more on physical strength. The shortcomings against luffy and Zoro only add to the Argument.
     
  14. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Momonga can’t put up a fight against G3 Luffy? What about the old lady that chased Doflamingo for years? VAs aren’t fodder
     
  15. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    Luffy used haki, and Fujitora didn’t though. Fujitora was surprised at the strength of Luffy and the fact that Zoro could use air slashes (which he even mentions). It’s proof that underestimating an opponent is a mistake, and Luffy and Zoro are strong is enough to make him realize that mistake. When he took Doffy serious he stopped a kick that is capable of destroying buildings in half.
     
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    I feel like whenever Fujitora comes up the only scene most people remember is the G3 punch.

    If we are going to act like either of them got serious let's at least remember the end of that clash was Fujitora casually tossing him into the ocean, where he would have drowned if not caught by friends first.
    And while he did this he was holding a few tens of thousand tons of rubble in the sky, in which Pica's Golem was seen as a tiny speck, and dwarfing in volume and weight any amount of mochi ever seen in the other fight, like an elephant to an ant.

    Also both manga Fujitora (betting on roulette scene) and the inspiration for the character, Zatoichi, fake clumsiness and stupidity as a character trait.

    If you go to tv tropes and check the page for "obfuscating stupidity" trope you will find Zatoichi in the examples.

    So everyone who believes the G3 punch gave him real trouble, and that he did all he could against birdcage, etc. be sure to act surprised when this obvious setup comes to play in later arcs.
    :gglife
     
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  17. Kai R I N N I N G Retired Staff

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    Duo mid diffs, an Admiral can't handle two guys in a similar ballpark as Marco.
     
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  18. Seraphoenix Kaladin Stormblessed

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    yes they are to people like G2/3 Luffy with haki. Fuji got launched by a no-name G3 move. What would happen to Momonga if he got an Elephant Gun or Red Hawk?

    Luffy was going to destroy an island sized ship in G3. Momonga is not surviving that kind of barrage.

    You said it's a fact that there are multiple VAs on his G3 level where does this ''fact'' come from? You haven't brought any reasons.
     
  19. DiscoZoro20 Ōka Shichibukai

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    Well as i Said It is implied. Nothing more nothing less. We shouldnt give a character The benefit of The doubt For everything Just because Said character is an Admiral. So For now i give The nod to Luffy in physical strength until proven otherweise.
     
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    It isn't implied, Fujitora didn't use haki to block. Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri, and BM all used haki to block and fight Luffy the entire time, and Fujitora didn't. The fact that BM bothered using haki, as strong as she is and while still underestimating Luffy, means that haki substantially adds to defense. That's why she used it.

    Fujitora has CoA, but he never used it in a fight. It's not giving him the benefit of the doubt, its acknowledging the fact that Luffy pushed back an admiral that was by all measures holding back.

    If Luffy uses physical strength+haki against someone who only uses strength, Luffy shouldn't automatically get the nod for being stronger.
     
  21. Dunno Well-Known Member

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    Individually, they could give him mid diff. Together they give him high.
     
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    An admiral literally walked through an attack by a guy in the same ballpark as Marco, and Marco himself.

    I understand they're different admirals, but you said "an admiral" like people on that level don't have a way to fight back?

    Are you all missing the part where Fujitora could generate enough force to bring down multiple meteors and lift the entire wreckage of an island? He was so strong that Oda didn't even have him use half the stuff he's shown as a direct hit on a character. Doflamingo and Sabo both were shocked at the met, and they both managed to luck out (Birdcage/Fujitora deflecting his own met).

    Only on this forum can a guy who can literally lift millions of tons in an instant and bring down meteors be seen as an underdog to this extent in this fight. Mid diff? Really? Does he just stand still and let them punch him "cause they're super duper fast?"

    Funny how that is always guaranteed to work, but if Fujitora uses any kind of gravity, "Luffy and Katakuri will find a way around it."
     
  23. Kai R I N N I N G Retired Staff

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    So they win high diff, I don't have an issue with that.

    An Admiral still isn't beating two Yonko first commanders.
     
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    @DoctorLaw

    Why do you keep saying Fujitora didn't use Haki? Do you simply not know CoA is invisible unless it's hardening which is black... or are you just pretending you don't know?
     
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    What kind of mental gymnastics is this?

    CoA in combat has had a visual indicator since post time skip.

    When Luffy, Katakuri, BM, and Cracker used haki to directly block an attack, you could see it. On top of that, Fuji was blocking with a weapon. Anytime haki is used on a weapon, it appears black.

    The manga clearly shows he didn’t use haki.
     
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    No... Haki isn't always shown as black... it's only when they use hardening. There has been several instances where a person uses Haki but not hardening. Regular CoA is completely invisible so there is no way to know if a person is using it or not.
     
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    Of course He should get The nod unless You can Show feats of Fuji that Show otherwise. Fujitora blocking doffys kick as You mention before is Not enough, thats Something Supernova can do. The Direct comparison favors Luffy and Zoro No Matter how You Look at It. Heck You Bring Up that fujitora Held Back but so did Luffy and Zoro so that Changes Not much If anything at all. Also keep in Mind that i am basing this on current feats only so this Isnt even a final verdict.
     
  28. DoctorLaw Shichibukai

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    When Doflamingo tried to block KG, we saw him use CoA.

    When Cracker blocked Luffy, we saw CoA.

    When Katakuri tried to block KG, we saw CoA.

    When Luffy rushes BM, we saw her use CoA to block.

    When Luffy was tanking Doflamingo’s awakening in base, we saw him use CoA to block.

    When Jinbe stopped BM’s attack, we saw CoA.

    Why would Fujitora’s CoA not be shown when all these other characters have been shown? Fujitora already used haki on his weapon once, and it turned it black. When he blocked, it was normal.

    CoA may not be drawn every time to indicate a character interacting with a logia for instance, but in action scenes where characters are directly blocking attacks, we see whether or not they’re using CoA. I mean, in the same panel Luffy was drawn using haki, why would Fujitora not be?
     
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    Lol, I still remember it was almost unanimous on this board Doflamingo gives an Admiral mid diff.

    Now two guys who are each much stronger than Doflamingo and people are still applying "mid diff" individually vs. an Admiral? :sag

    Sounds like damage control to me.
     
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    No... we're shown when they are using Hardening... not CoA in general. Why didn't Fujitora use Hardening? Hell if I know but that doesn't mean he didn't use Haki. Just look at the Luffy vs Cracker battle... how often did Cracker use Hardening? Luffy even praised his CoA in that fight.
     
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