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Luffy and Zoro need to lose

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Shrike, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. Shrike Let's Baby

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    For any other Wano plot point to make any sense and be valid, they need to lose, badly.

    Then Robin's infiltration, and the gathering of the samurai will be the driving force until they are released - along with Kidd.

    I know, there is none bar Kaido to bag them, and that might just happen.

    Else, Luffy, Zoro and Law will just continue wrecking stuff until they reach Kaido anyway, and that's pretty boring. Yes, our main characters are so strong now that there isn't that many people who can actually oppose them seriously.
     
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  2. Kinjin Silver Bullet

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    My money is on Jack to give them both a hard time. Especially considering that we haven't seen his hybrid form yet, quite excited to see his design for that reason.
     
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    This is what was supposed to happen immediately after they left Zou. Now, they would cook the shit out that mothafucka in a 2v1
     
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  4. Vengarl Maniac fan club

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    We have plenty of other potential team ups like the mink leaders or Sanji/Jinbei/ Kidd/Law/Hawkins to take on Jack plus any of the other Calamities. Luffy's already taken on 2 SC, no need for him to get overexerted again before he even fights Kaido.
     
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    OP can't have enough of them being underdogs. He wants to see them fall so early on before even a real fight starts, they haven't even encountered a YC yet the 2 uber niggas have to lose against fodder?

    :catskully
     
  6. MYJC Cunning Linguist

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    At this point it would be pretty ridiculous for Luffy or Zoro to lose against anybody below commander level.

    Unless they just get caught off-guard by DF hax.
     
  7. MO Well-Known Member

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    If two calamities come at the same time they can probably do it.
     
  8. Shrike Let's Baby

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    Reading comprehension
    -100
     
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  9. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    Or you could get the opposite and remember the main plot. All these allies [Samurai, SH infiltration, law, Kidd, etc] are for the purpose of teaming up against Emperors.

    Don't forget, Big Meme is on her way too...And you know she means business cause she is bringing Smoothie too.
     
  10. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    The problem is that Oda made a stalemate for the plot after WCI.

    Luffy looses - wtf?
    Luffy oneshots - boring
    Luffy having a hard time against the likes above Calamity (or Supernova) - wtf?
     
  11. TrolonoaZoro An artist with a Katana.

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    Luffy had issues with the likes of Monet and Ceasar and it wasn't because he couldnt one shot them. What is this?
     
  12. Jin22 Well-Known Member

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    No they don't...point of the time-skip was to train from a loss. A really bad one
     
  13. MYJC Cunning Linguist

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    Well, Oda coud always just do the usual thing and have Luffy get trapped somewhere until the end of the arc when it's time to fight Kaido.
     
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    what is wrong with you?
     
  15. zorokuma Well-Known Member

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    I thought Kizaru gave them their super L already. They gotta get another one after 2 years of training???
     
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    This is basically what I was saying
     
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    I rather Zoro extremely high diff him and level up. Cuz I believe Jack is still strong enough to give Luffy a bit of a challenge
     
  18. TrolonoaZoro An artist with a Katana.

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    I don't know. What's the matter with you?
     
  19. Soca The Mud and the Oil Super Moderator

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    He's saying what you were saying with your thread about having too much Luffy, except he's presenting a more creative idea in how to get rid of him. Others like myself have also tried to say that we should be giving lesser characters more focus on dealing with the fodders and more complicated tasks because as everyone here knows, unless a commander or a yonko shows up for Luffy and Zoro then there's no thrills to be had watching them.
     
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    Good thing it wasn't my intent to throw any creativity to it and simply vent an obvious flaw. A continuous obvious flaw at that.

    That said, things are getting too redundant, especially when it comes too Luffy. It would be nice to see more growth from other characters
     
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    I don't like the idea of them being in prison with Kidd, like in the WCI arc where Luffy get imprisoned and not get killed only to be released later on. it's stupid imo and repeated. but this is the only way I see Kidd can enter to the story if someone get imprison then get recruited later on.

    I think this is why Jack is being introduced now to give some real tension but I also don't think he's not enough but he pull a win in Zou by using poison maybe he can do it here too. thus, Luffy and Zoro get imprisoned.
     
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    They get KO'd from some sleeping gas shit and tied up and captured. Logically, they should be able to avoid the sleeping gas (COO) and break out of rope/chains like it's nothing, but they won't. This will incapacitate them for a good portion of the arc.
     
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    If Oda wasn't so hellbent on not taking the spotlight off of Luffy for anything over five chapters we could have more varied and interesting interactions.:oldshrug
     
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    If you want them to lose, you'll need some stronger calamities.

    Jack isn't going to cut it with his resume of numerous failures, against a hyped up Zoro and a Luffy that just got done beating 2 yonko commanders in a row.
     
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    I don't disagree with Kaido's first mate making an appearance and dunking on Zoro or Luffy at some point in the arc, to add some much needed tension.
     
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    Zoro will 1v1 a swordsman, maybe Oroichi if he turns out to be the best swordsman on Wano. Only other fighters who could 1v1 Jack are Sulong Neko or Inu and Jinbei with a body of water. I want to say Sanji with a raid suit or Kidd but I'm skeptical, unless it's 2 vs Jack
     
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    Kid will definitely defeat stronger opponent than Zoro this arc just as Law did in Punk Hazard arc.
     
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    What did Jack have in his hands when fighting? They looked like swords to me... anyways Jack as the Cracker to Zoro's development would be dope
     
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    Oda's mistake is keeping Luffy, Zoro and Law together. I doubt even Kaido's chances against 3 of them so none of his calamities are going to work here.
    Oda cleverly has to split stronger characters with weaker one. In that way a single calamity can pose threat to them and at the same time weaker strawhats can get some much needed panel time. They can fight headliners while SH SN keep calamities busy.
    And I would rather see Luffy destroying all the fodders than see him fucking around pointlessly. Oda needs to occupy Luffy is some intelligent way. I don't want to see super idiot Luffy at this stage of manga. Luffy not taking New World seriously is character regression.
     
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    You contradict yourself bro. :catskully
     
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