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Merkel ally Manfred Weber takes leap towards becoming next EU president

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  1. RavenSupreme Well-Known Member

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    An ally of has taken a major leap towards becoming the next president of the European Commission after the 's largest party endorsed him as their candidate.

    Manfred Weber was backed as the European People's Party's (EPP) so-called spitzencandidate at its congress in Helsinki on Thursday with 79 per cent of delegates' vote.

    Mr Weber, a member of the conservative CSU party which is closely allied with Angela Merkel's CDU, beat former Finnish Prime Minister Alexander Stubb, who has positioned himself as a liberal conservative.


    He was endorsed by all of the EPP’s sitting heads of state and government and most of its national member parties.

    “I stand here not only to ask for your support as a candidate, but I stand here to ask you for a mandate, a mandate to change Europe!" he told delegates in a speech before the votes came in.

    The next European Commission President will be chosen by the heads of state and government of the 27 remaining EU member states after next year's European Parliament elections.

    Under the spitzencandidate convention the leaders are supposed to choose the lead candidate of the largest parliamentary group – which is likely to be Mr Weber. Some states have however disputed this process and it is not clear whether they will respect the parties' choice.


    Other potential candidates for Commission president include Frans Timmermans, who is the lead candidate for the socialist group, and Michel Barnier, who missed out on being lead candidate for the EPP because of his Brexit commitments but who is thought to want the job.

    The EPP is expected to come top in the European elections, as it has done in all recent votes – but be heavily wounded by a surge in support for the far-right and populists.

    Mr Weber currently leads the EPP's group in the European Parliament, which is the legislature's largest.



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    Personally I see it as a good thing. In times of difficult political climatics it should be a reasonable, stable and predictable lead at the head of the European Union.

    Only thing I dont know is how well a full German leadership is accepted by the remaining EU memberstates. Germany right now already acts as the quasi-leader with head of states preferring to visit Merkel than Juncker.

    If we now have Merkel and Weber, both from Germany, that may be seen as too much a power intensification.

    All in all I am sure its a good thing however. Europe under not only de-facto but actual German rule would do its hardest to increase prosperity for everyone. And alongside its close ally France the EU may even enter hard-power territory, after Macrons call on a true EU army.

    Whats your thoughts on it?
     
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    Is the people of Europe are questioned on that?
     
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  3. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    TBH I don't know how I feel about the Commission president being from one of the Big Five (Germany, France, U.K., Italy, Spain). :hm

    Always felt he should be a neutral arbiter. Like how the U.N. Secretary General can't be from one of the permanent Security Council members.
     
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    Big 4 my friend. Big 4... Uk has left us... :catcry
     
  5. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Not officially, yet.

    Also when they do I'm promoting Poland. (Some counts already have them as the fifth B5 instead of Spain, as an olive branch to Eastern Europe)
     
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    They are primaries, not general elections...

    But for the record Wauquiez, the president of the French conservative party "The Republicans", who has been chosen by popular vote among party members with an overwhelming majority (75%), fully supported and voted for the Weber candidacy in these EPP primaries.

    Now of course you are free to vote for other candidates in the European elections but the French conservatives did have a choice in these primaries and they are largely responsible for this result.
     
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    :doge
     
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    Oh a présélection of candidate within parties? OK forget what I said. I still have in mind the time the president was chosen by our leaders after the people voted.
     
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    I'm also disappointed that (b. 1949) doesn't seem to have been a candidate.

    He was prime minister of Sweden 1991-1994 and subsequently foreign minister 2006-2014; a rare case of a PM returning to national office. During his decade outside the cabinet he was also a noted mediator in the Yugoslav Wars. He's one of the most respected diplomats in Europe.

    I saw someone write that Swedes are automatically barred from senior EU office because we're not part of the Eurozone (or NATO, even though this isn't formally an EU body). If your country isn't "all in" then you don't have a right to sit at the table.
     
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    In need to register in the French ambassy to be able to vote in this election. I won't vote for this guy. This man marketed as Merkel's ally is certainly not appealing. She became Miss open borders. Europe need to go farer in the right to fix the mess left.
     
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    A Merkel ally? No thanks!
     
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    Past commission presidents

    1. Walter Hallstein, [West] Germany
    2. Jean Rey, Belgium
    3. Franco Maria Malfatti, Italy (I)
    4. Sicco Mansholt, Netherlands
    5. Francois-Xavier Ortoli, France (I)
    6. Roy Jenkins, United Kingdom

    7. Gaston Thorn, Luxembourg
    8. Jaques Deloirs, France (II)
    9. Jaques Santer, Luxembourg (II)
    10. Romano Prodi, Italy (II)
    11. Jose Manuel Barroso, Portugal
    12. Jean-Claude Juncker, Luxembourg (III)



    So far 8 of the 28 member states have had a shot at the presidency.

    While I'm not saying national rotation should trump individual fitness, it would be nice if in their nomination exercises the parties tried to pick candidates from countries that haven't previously held the presidency. E.g. the right should have gone with Stubb since Finland hasn't served before.

    Of course even if rotation was implemented from now on it would still take at least 100 years (twenty 5-year terms) to get around to everybody. The exit of Britain doesn't help because they already had their turn.
     
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    What's to the right of Merkel, though? Le Pen?
     
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    Actually Merkel's party (CDU) and the party Weber originates from (CSU) are different. CSU operates in Bavaria only while CDU operates in the rest of Germany.

    Although they are allies on the national level and widely considered sister-parties they have independent structures.

    CSU traditionally represents the more socially conservative Catholic German South and their political platform reflects that. CSU and Weber are to the right of CDU and Merkel on issues such as immigration.
     
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    In any case these elections are expected to bring a large blow to the two large parties.

    Number of EU legislators:

    Party - Politics - 2019 projection - Last elections

    1. EPP - EU Conservatives - 186 - 221
    2. S&D - Social Democrats - 136 - 191
    3. ALDE - Liberals - 77 - 67
    4. GUE-NGL - Left - 58 - 52
    5. ENF - Far-right - 53 - Did not exist
    6. ECR - Eurosceptic Conservatives - 42 - 70
    7. Greens/EFA - Green - 40 - 50
    8. EFDD - Anti-EU Conservatives - 38 - 48
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    That leaves us with 75 seats remaining that go to national parties with no known European affiliations either because they will be new to the parliament or because they choose so. 38 of these seats go to far-right unnafilied parties while 3 go to Left/Far-left parties. The other 34 go to moderate parties, including 21 for Macron's En Marche which is widely expected to support ALDE in the upcoming elections. That would bring ALDE seats to 98.

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    EFDD will quite possibly be the smallest parliament group, it's led by Farage and known members are UK's UKIP, German AfD (previously member of ECR) and Italian Five Star Movement.

    Everybody knows the Greens. Most of their European legislators come from Germany's Green party but also from Green parties all around Europe.

    ECR is basically the UK Tories plus the Polish Conservative Party (Sweden Democrats are here also).

    ENF is Le Pen's FN plus Italian Lega Nord, Freedom Party of Austria and Dutch Party for Freedom.

    By the way another comment, it seems ALDE will not run with a single candidate but with multiple if I understood this correctly. Then after the elections they will be able to choose who to select. They're basically doing this as it is Macron's proposal because he wants to select Vestager through the EU summit as the final candidate... Disappointing.
     
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    If national elections are any indication, Social Democrats (S&D) are gonna get wrecked. :blobsad

    We're only in power in 5 of 28 countries. And at least one of them (Sweden) is on a caretaker basis that could evaporate at any moment.

    If you also include the "far-left" Greek government I guess you can call it 6 countries, but it's not much of a consolation. Someone (@Hozukimaru?) told me they're probably getting ejected in the next election anyway.
     
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    I will see according to the choices proposed.
     
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    Most likely, but it's possible for the main center-left party to join a Conservative-Social Democrat German style alliance. The center-left is polling 2 percentage points up since the 2015 elections. Polls give an average of 37% to the Conservatives, 24% to current Left party, and the S&D, Golden Dawn (Far-right) and Communist Party all tie at 8% each for the third place.
     
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