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Mihawks Role

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Silver, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. Seraphoenix Withering away

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    If you're going to neg like a scorned bitch then I won't reply. Go do that shit in the DB section.

    Roger did something to get the title of Pirate King in his world. He conquered the grandline. Presumably Mihawk did something to get that title. Oda didn't jump into the manga to tell Vista that Mihawk is WSS. He knew it by reputation. His title is the in-verse perception.

    Also Roger was known for beating everyone except WB. Mihawk hadn't even met Vista and hasn't fought Shanks since he lost his arm. Doesn't help you have the title if you don't fight the top people who can challenge you.
     
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  2. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Oda is telling his story. The in verse story is his word unless evidence points to the contrary. Its not odas job to state things outside the manga to support Y Or Z. For example the Five Elders are the highest authority in the WG until shown otherwise. Oda is more then welcome to introduce someone else higher then them, but if you were to state that such a charcter exists is baseless speculation nothing more.

    Roger was not known for beating everyone. For starters thats impossible as he is just one man. Also he ran away from Big Meme :skully and would of lost agasint Shiki.

    Whitebeard had the WSM title for 20+ years. How many times did he fight Big Mom, Dragon, Shanks, Mihawk, and Kaidou 1v1 to the death during that time? ZERO times i would wager. Thats not a very good arguement. Mihawk already earned his title. Random fodder in the east blue can identify him. Not his job to go around fighting people.
     
  3. tejas8055 ☻☻☻☻☻

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    Butthurt flows in the form of negs lol. If I was Mihawk , I would have said, "Vista, Can you please postpone my neg? We will settle it sometime else."
     
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  4. Shiba D. Inu #admiralgang

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    get to used to it BOIs

    by downplaying Mihawk and doing mental hoops to discredit his WSS title, you insult me personally

    :ufdup
     
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    Get over it BOIS.

    Mihawk already insulted the WSS title personally when he requested Vista for postponement. Guess the monologue, "Red Hair, I will not hold back. " meant not holding back in asking postponement.
     
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  6. Monstar6 Well-Known Member

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    If the strongest slash is aimed at a human in flesh and blood, the said slash will not cut diamond or steel.
     
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    Mr. I Won't Hold Back's new title should be WSP - World's Strongest Postponer.
     
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  8. tejas8055 ☻☻☻☻☻

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    Or World's Surest Scheduler since he schedules his duels such that all strong contenders get tired of waiting for dueling with him and give up.
     
  9. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    Whitebeard has a blade too...Mihawk didn't think he would block his slash? Or pound it with Quakes?
     
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    World's Strongest Swordsman(Zoro's EoS goal) and rivalry/relationship with Shanks; Mihawk certainly has the hype to place him amongst the Yonkou and Admirals.

    Oda has never flat out stated the required qualifications for one to be considered a swordsman but there is enough evidence throughout the manga to form an idea. Swordsmen are characters that are skilled in swordsmanship. There are 3 types of swordsman in One Piece: Pure Swordsman, Primary Swordsman, and Secondary Swordsman. Pure Swordsman are those who use swordsmanship as their only fighting style. Primary Swordsman are those who use swordsmanship as their primary fighting style. Primary Swordsmeb use secondary styles to supplement their primary style. Secondary Swordsman are those who use swordsmanship as a supplement to their primary style. The World's Strongest Swordsman title applies to Pure and Primary Swordsman; Pure and Primary Swordsman fall below this title by default, while Secondary Swordsman are excluded.
    Examples of Pure: Zoro, Tashigi, Ryuuma, Mihawk
    Examples of Primary: Cabaji, Ohm,
    Examples of Secondary: Law, Kizaru

    As for the title of WSS, everything suggests that it is a strength based title. Skill is certainly a major factor in swordsmanship but, throughout the manga, strength takes precedence when we determine the superior swordsman.
    - Though Kuina was skilled in swordsmanship, she was discouraged because she believed she would lack the physical strength needed to become WSS.
    - Ryuuma's physical capabilities(Strength, Speed, etc.) made him a stronger swordsman than Brook, despite having the same skill.
    Stephen also confirmed that the "Strongest" in WSS is the same as the "Strongest" in WSM.

    Strength, speed, haki, etc. are factored into the strength of a swordsman, therefore factored into the WSS title. None of these capabilities, in itself, are required to be considered a strong swordsman but there is a certain level in each that one must reach to become the WSS. No character should be able to pick up a sword as their primary fighting style and defeat the WSS because he outclassed him in an area that the WSS wouldn't be able to make up for in another. Hypothetical scenarios such as Garp using strength to outclass Mihawk, strictly using a sword, are impossible. Like I mentioned above; no top tier should be able to outclass another top tier in an area that they wouldn't be able to make up for in another.

    With all of this being said I have Mihawk and Shanks as equals until Shanks displays a legit fighting style that depicts him as a Secondary Swordsman.
     
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    You're dodging the issue. In the world of One Piece people like Vista who never met him before MF, regard Mihawk as the WSS. He didn't get to that conclusion because Oda dropped in and told him. Mihawk did something to get the title in verse. That's my point. He probably beat the previous person regarded as WSS. That does not mean he is word of god the strongest. Just that he has the title.

    The title imo is worthless if the guy ducks people like Shanks and even Vista.

    Roger is regarded as the strongest for a reason. WB got the title WSM after Roger died because he was the only person to match Roger. Does it matter if he didn't fight Crocodile? No because he fought all the relevant top tiers for them to get that conclusion.

    This is just loser talk that I'm sure you think sounds cool. Anyone so attached to a fictional character that they get butthurt when that character is criticised has problems. Get a girl (or a boy if you float that way) or are you just that socially awkward?
     
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    And Zeus didnt come down from heaven and declare roger the pirate king. My point is such a thing is in no way required. We don't need out of manga evidence to prove that Hashirama was the strongest shinobi of his era.

    Of course out of manga evidence is nice nothing wrong with it but its not a arguement agasint something is what im saying.

    Mihawk is the WSS. He doesnt have to fight anyone ever again in his life. He already made it to the top. Hes not obligated to fight shanks or vista. If they want a fight they are free to force him to fight. If they arent strong enough to force him to fight they would not win anyway.
     
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    Seems it was an accurate analysis. Take the advice and get some friends or love irl. Living in a fictional world is unhealthy.

    The question is how he made it to the top? By beating someone.

    What you're saying is something I agree with on principle. That we look at evidence in the manga and if there is no compelling contrary evidence we go with what the evidence says.

    There is no contrary evidence to Hashirama being the strongest of his era. With Mihawk however, we know he hasn't fought the strongest swordsmen like Shanks(since losing his arm or if he is even a swordsman) or Vista (before MF). This means there is room for scrutiny.

    We're going in circles in any event comrade. To me Mihawk got the title by beating the person previously regarded as WSS. It's not a word of god title. It also isn't meaningless. He obviously didn't beat a fodder to get that reputation. The person he beat had to have beaten legit people to be regarded as such. I just disagree that it's entirely 100% certain that he is stronger than people like Shanks.
     
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  15. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    He IS a swordman. He faced many times in his youth a man who will turn to be the WSS and their batle was known trough the whole grandline. But it's true we don't know for sure what other ability he have (like devil fruit) But I think both him and mihawk may be yonko level with their swordmanship only.(If raylegh can , why not them ?). If ,of course , we clearly define what a "yonko level" means. All yonkos are not equal between themselves (look at luffy). Someone who can face 1v1 kaido ? Someone who can put him a good fight ? I'm not sure that any of them is able do so now. Nor to Blackbeard. (Cause if it was the case , why not facing him already walongside marco when he was weakier with a less crew/territory ?)


    I think mihawk may be a "yonko level" if we look how the 7WL are introduced : as one of the 3 great power with the yonko/marines. Every time one lack they have to put someone strong in his place. I espect at minimum ONE of them to be able to face a Yonko and the only one here is mihawk. It's true he was fighting vista and jozu , but we can only speculate about how much serious he was against them : they where here to save ace , and knew about Mihawk title so will certainly not restrain themselves. He was here to kill time, and to avoid loosing his title. We have also to keep in mind that top tier couldn't use their full streng with 50% people around being ally, especially if they can cut an iceberg with one swing.

    So until anything new I will say it's a no-end debate.
     
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    World's Strongest X titles are not regulated. There's no governing body that catalogues who beat who and who has what title. Being recognised as the World's Strongest Swordsman is exactly the same as being recognised as an Emperor - it happens when on average people would agree that you fulfil the criteria for it. Mihawk being known pretty much universally as the WSS means:

    a) that he did something to prove this initially
    b) nobody has since emerged that could meaningfully contest the title from him

    Whether Mihawk has personally fought every other swordsman on the planet is irrelevant because we and the people in the world of one piece are capable of a>b>c logic, if Mihawk is stronger than a guy who's stronger than a guy then Mihawk is stronger than the third guy, except in this case the chain goes Mihawk>second best guy>third best guy>everyone else down the line until eventually you hit random casuals who use swords. What matters here is that at some point Mihawk proved to the world that he was >the rest of the top tier swordsmen and that since then nobody has tried to claim the title and succeeded.

    We can see this sort of thing in action with Whitebeard. Whitebeard in the past proved he was WSM and then despite his declining health and frailty was able to keep the title because none of the other Yonkou or any individual in the WG could contest him. In all honesty it wouldn't surprise me if Oldbeard wasn't actually the WSM at the time of MF but again what matters here is that nobody was able to contest him for it. It's not like a boxing title where you can arrange matches in advance and where ducking a match is a forfeit on the title - to steal WB's WSM title you have to rock up to the Moby Dick, fight through his crew and then beat Whitebeard himself.

    Same logic applies to Mihawk and Kaido - at some point they performed some feat so monstrously powerful that the world was like "okay this guy is the strongest for sure."
     
  17. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    It seems it's too late, even my post was deleted but yw.
     
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    Whitebeard's blade is in diamond?
     
  20. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    The point is that Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman in the manga called "One Piece".

    If we were reading a manga where WB was a swordsman, Mihawk would not be WSS. That is not the manga we are reading though.

    If we were reading a manga where Roger was still alive and was a swordsman (probably was), Roger would be WSS. That is not the manga we are reading though.

    No YC can last to the end in a serious 1v1v1 with true top tiers. Top tiers, as shown by the difference between what happened when a YC sneak attacked an Admiral and vice versa, actually deal fight ending blows when given the chance.

    "Legends" is not even the correct translation anyway, just ask @Erkan12 .
    Oda chose WB, Shanks, and Mihawk not because they're are legends
    but because he holds them in such a high light. Oda believes Mihawk belongs in a serious fight with them.

    I've explained Mihawk vs Jozu countless times.

    Mihawk DID NOT use the Breath of Diamond in that slash. Look at Mihawk's air slash at Luffy that Mr. 1 intercepted. Guess what happened? Mr. 1 took 0 damage. Once Mihawk realized who he was, Mr. 1 got one shot. Just like in Zoro's fight, Zoro one shot him once he learned how to cut steel even though previously, Zoro did no damage.

    Steel and Diamond are Logias to swordsmen. The Breaths are the CoA. The difference is that swordsmen aren't always using those Breaths, presumably for one or more reasons:

    1. Doesn't boost attack power (pretty much confirmed)

    2. Can't hurt flesh or anything else with those Breaths (possible).

    3. Takes more stamina which makes it pointless on non-steel/diamond stuff (possible)

    Mr. 1 heavily implies the Breath of Diamond exists.

    I explain it up there
     
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