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Minato vs. Itachi

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Yagura, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. Yagura ♥ ≠ ∞

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    Minato vs Itachi

    Restrictions: None.
    Knowledge: Manga.
    Battlefield: Amegakure;
    Starting Distance: 15 meters.
    State of Mind: Minato & Itachi are bloodlusted.
    Conditions: Itachi is healthy, and his eyes are in perfect condition.

    Scenario 2- No knowledge.

    Scenario 3- No knowledge. Bloodlusted. Standing 5 meters apart.
     
  2. Meruem The King

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    Well, if Minato survives Tsukuyomi he wins but I am on the fence of whether or not he can.
     
  3. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    This match's victor depends on whether or not you arbitrarily believe Minato is immune to genjutsu. In terms of intended level, they are about the same, Minato might even be higher, but feat-wise, in the Battledome, Itachi should win. Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o, genjutsu, and clones are far better tools than Hiraishin and Rasengan. Itachi is also more reflexive than Minato since Minato was compared to Raikage without his lightning armor.
     
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  4. Scorpion GET OVER HERE!

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    Scenerio 1: Minato should win. He has the ability to warp away attacks like Amaterasu, and the Totsuka Blade. If he manages to tag Itachi, it'll be an easy win. He should be out of the Tsukuyomi range.

    Scenerio 2: Essentially the same as above.

    Scenerio 3: Itachi wins. 5 meter starting distance with no knowledge means Minato is going to get hit by a Tsukuyomi. Sure he'll survive it, perhaps be in a better shape then Kakashi was, but in no way will he defeat Itachi.
     
  5. Meruem The King

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    I agree with Devil for once. Haha, let's make a Pain vs Minato thread and see if we still agree...
     
  6. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    How does he know when Amaterasu is coming if he's not looking at Itachi's eyes, and why wouldn't he look at Itachi's eyes without knowledge? Also, Susano'o, Utakata, and clones? It's a lot to warp away from and still put up some minor form of offense.
     
  7. Scorpion GET OVER HERE!

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    If he keeps his distance Tsukuyomi shouldn't be a factor. And doesn't he have the speed to dodge Amaterasu anyway considering Raikage's speed was compared to him.

    He has the speed to dodge most of those things and counterattack with a Rasengan. But yes Itachi has a very good advantage with no knowledge.
     
  8. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    Why would he keep his distance without knowledge?
     
  9. Scorpion GET OVER HERE!

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    Why wouldn't he? After an attempted V2 Hiraishin foiled by a surprise Susano'o, which in that he will definitely stay back.
     
  10. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    Why would Itachi need Susano'o for v2 Hiraishin when Itachi has the single best feat in the manga for countering Hiraishin? He could easily block every kunai Minato throws and make a Karasu Bunshin while doing so.

     
  11. Nikushimi Savior

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    Manga knowledge means Itachi should understand what Minato is capable of pretty well, whereas Minato will have virtually no knowledge on Itachi other than the fact that he's an Uchiha (as well as the general capabilities of Sharingan). Bloodlust means this fight is going to get insane right off the bat, with Itachi spamming MS and Minato evading with Hiraishin. However, Itachi's more detailed knowledge plays to his advantage; I see Minato's ignorance getting him caught in Tsukuyomi very early in the fight, and that's it for him. Itachi wins with low to moderate difficulty.

    Before anyone starts bitching, consider how vital information is when dealing with both of these characters. It's like they say: "Knowledge is power."

    I suspect if Minato gets within range of Itachi, he'll be Genjutsu'd, and he'll need Hiraishin to free himself from Itachi's influence. This will give both opponents a chance to see eachother's primary abilities in action. However, eventually, I think Minato would manage to catch Itachi off-guard and win via BFR. Itachi would probably be so focused on trying to keep track of Hiraishin, that I can see Minato catching him off-guard with a space/time barrier and hurling him to regions unknown for a "ring-out", if you will. If for some reason Minato is unable to do that, then it would come down to whether or not he could successfully get around Itachi's defenses with Hiraishin or if Itachi could successfully anticipate and fend off such efforts. In that case, I can honestly see it going either way.

    Itachi rapes with Genjutsu and a kunai. The conditions are ideal for him and he can make far better use of them than Minato can.
     
  12. OutlawJohn Spirit of the Free

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    Not that I disagree, but how does Itachi have better reflexes than Minato, who's explosion feat makes him the only hypersonic base character in the manga?
     
  13. Namikaze Minato Konoha's Yellow Flash

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    Minato knows Uchiha techniques consumes lots of chakra , so he wait out Itachi with Hirashin and Itachi is forced to keep susanoo since its the only thing between Minato Hirashin to kill him.

    in the end Itachi's chakra finish and he loses.
     
  14. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    @Outlaw John

    We can argue about the subjectivism of individual feats, ranting about pointblank explosions or natural lightning, but the statement that A's reflexes surpass Minato's own is enough to satiate my opinion that Itachi has superior reflexes, through his feats with Sasuke, and through Sasuke's feats with A.

    With that said, I do acknowledge that Minato is vastly superior with the shunshin jutsu from what has been shown, but I believe Itachi has experience fighting advanced shunshin users, like Sasuke or Shisui, and do not believe that to tip the scale either way, just my opinion.
     
  15. Empathy Disciple of Thunder

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    OP says no knowledge in both scenarios
     
  16. Bloo Shadow Shinobi

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    There was no Mangekyou users in Minato's lifetime(aside from Madara who we've yet to even see his Mangekyou outside of s flashbacks) so how would he know about them?
     
  17. Milan? "order."

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    I think you read the manga wrong o:
    It was stated that A's speed was almost on yondaime's level :l
     
  18. BrokenBonds Blinded by Instinct

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    Minato doesn't have knowledge, he loses.

    He wont know what Tsukuyomi is, that being said he wont be so die hard on trying to avoid eye contact.
     
  19. OutlawJohn Spirit of the Free

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    The problem with that is, Itachi's feat can be argued to be a 'trigger draw'. As much as I hate to say it, Sasuke gave him ample time to prepare to activate his technique. Another simple matter of fact is, if Itachi actually reacted to the lightning, then his reflexes are far above anything in not only the Narutoverse, but also the HST. If he actually did it, then he should be able to react anything and everything in either Naruto, One Piece or Bleach, and have ample time to react. But obviously, he can't, so we accept that he did a 'trigger draw'.

    Minato's feat, on the other hand, can't be debated. He saw the explosion, teleported away from it, and then used Shunshin to get out of the way before it could do harm to him and his son. Clearly illustrated by the manga.

    And you base that entire argument off of one arbitrary comment by a character who's likely never even met Minato, and said something impressive about his leader without likely having any scope of Minato's abilities.

    The same statement is completely nill, seeing as Minato's feat easily puts him in a class of his own reaction wise.
     
  20. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    Were you reading the printed manga, or some obscure internet translation? I assure you, it was stated that Minato was comparable to A without his lightning shroud. This is the English translation in the actual manga:

    "Lord Raikage's nervous system and reaction speed are on par with Kohana's Yellow Flash. I'm surprised these folk are managing to keep up. But Lord Raikage can also amplify his ability further using Lightning Release armor...not even the sharigan will be able to keep up."

    I bolded the words that I do not want you to miss. Of course, you can discredit the source as ignorant if you would like, but I do not, and I do not read the manga incorrectly, like you guessed.

    @Outlaw John

    I'm not familiar with your opinions, but a portion of the forum does believe that Sage Naruto micromanaged actions while the Rasenshuriken was in transit, and they believe that the Rasenshuriken to be vastly hypersonic. In that case, reacting to lightning is not out of the question. I am unfamiliar with Bleach or One Piece so I cannot comment on that bit. There are other ridiculous arguments that I could make for Itachi's speed, by basing it off of Sasuke's escape from c0, for example, but I'm not going to because I prefer equalizing the feats with character statements.
     
  21. Namikaze Minato Konoha's Yellow Flash

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    no knowledge about Itachi , not Uchiha , Minato was the Hokage while Uchiha were alive and Kakashi had his sharingan , he knows Sharingan consume chakra to use its ocular powers more than Minato consume chakra for doing Hirashin
    i didnt say he'll know about Itachi's jutsu , i said he knows Sharingan ocular powers consume a lot of chakra since Uchiha were alive while he was alive and Kakashi with his sharingan is alive too so he knows what a toll the sharingan takes on the chakra , so he only need to keep Hirashin till Itachi lose all his chakra from being forced to keep susanoo up due to Hirashin
     
  22. Chaotic Gangsta Active Member

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    To be honest, with no knowledge, it could possibly go either way. Seeing as Itachi is completely oblivious to Minato's transportation ability, that's automatically an advantage for Minato, however, him being unware of Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan abilities is an even greater disadvantage. You must look into an opponents eyes when fighting them, and there's a 90% chance he'd do that. So Itachi has a better chance of winning.
     
  23. OutlawJohn Spirit of the Free

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    Those people are -snip-. Rasenshuriken is calced at around Mach 3, which is believable as most Naruto characters are believed to be around supersonic.

    Well, the only thing you should know about Bleach and One Piece is that their all miniature versions of Dragon Ball. They made bullets look slow in their first appearances, and now have characters that apparently move around light speed.

    And I personally prefer to go by numbers, especially when the only statement we have to go by is one that is totally unfounded. One what grounds does Shi have the authority to make claims on Minato's speed? After all, he's likely never met Minato, and all he has to base his opinion is off is likely what he's heard about Minato's speed. All of that comes into question considering that Minato's feats in base are beyond anything except the Raikage's V2 speed.
     
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  24. Empathy Disciple of Thunder

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    No Knowledge means No Knowledge(obviously) on the character whatsoever, that would be Manga Knowledge, meaning they know nothing about the character at all, like a stranger
     
  25. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    Itachi activating a technique in 0.001 seconds is implausible compared to Naruto unhenging and strapping down Deva when a Mach 3 projectile was only a dozen feet away? That doesn't add up to me.
     
  26. Milan? "order."

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    are you absolutely sure?
    I don't think he surpasses the yellow flash, but he could indefinitely be considered on par.
    but as you'll see he is shown to be too fast for Madara, also ..
    so they are on par, raikage doesn't surpass him.In speed.
    plus, how do we know he's not talking about yondaime's base speed, what about yondaime's seal that allows him to teleport, nothings faster than time-space travel :hurr
     
  27. Sadgoob Dream Bigly

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    The first links was when Tobi had Minato pick up a bomb. The second link shows Tobi expertly phasing through Minato's blow and then reflexively ending the phasing jutsu to grab his wrists. Those were exemplary reflexes on Tobi's part, actually, when you consider the chakra control necessary to phase and unphase as quickly as Minato strikes, and then to grab his wrist as well.

    But you're absolutely correct about Hiraishin; you can't beat that in speed. But it is limited by a kunai, and Minato's own reflexes after instantly going from point A to point B. It was ideal against Tobi because Tobi literally allowed the kunai to go through his back. I'm not sure if it would have worked as well as it did otherwise, and I believe that by deflecting the kunai the threat is nullified.
     
  28. Namikaze Minato Konoha's Yellow Flash

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    no knowledge means no knowledge on the opponent , not the clan , your logic would be correct if this was a match between Minato VS Uchiha clan.

    and Uchihas are famous with their good looks , Minato will recognize them and thus recognize Itachi.
     
  29. Skywalker 501st Legion

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    Tsukuyomi rape should be banned, it's not much of a challenge for the third match, at all.
     
  30. Nikushimi Savior

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    Except that's completely false, because we can plainly see that Kirin was fired before Itachi had activated Susano'o, making his reaction feat indisputeably legit.

    Well...yeah. That's the idea. He's definitely not anywhere near the fastest characters in the HST as far as movement speed is concerned (lol, Kizaru), but he should be able to at least activate Susano'o to prevent virtually all of them from blitzing him.

    Wait, what the fuck do you mean "obviously he can't"? How many characters in the HST are faster than lightning?

    He also saw the explosive tags before they detonated. Claiming this feat is legit while calling Itachi's feat a "trigger draw" is a ridiculous double-standard that has absolutely no basis in objective reality.

    Sharingan hardly consumes any chakra at all for people with Uchiha blood. It has a heavy toll for Kakashi because he lacks the clan's Kekkei Genkai and his body isn't suited for the eye as a result.

    Minato has no knowledge. Period. He'll have to figure out Itachi is an Uchiha before he can even begin to think of how to fight him, and by then, he'll most likely have already eaten a Tsukuyomi under bloodlusted conditions.

    Yes.
     

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