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Mordegon (DQXI) vs Demon King (NnT)

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Keishin, Sep 30, 2018.

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    There is. One guy absorbed the power of the cosmic embodiment of the void of outer space, and destroyed said creature's body after corrupting the sword of light. The other is not anywhere near that. Heck, mages weaker than Mordegon at that point could create pocket universes with countless stars like Serenica when she sealed Calasmos' body into Erdwin's Lantern.
     
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    Well when you put it that way this thread should've never been made.
     
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    Mordegon should be equal to Calasmos by virtue of stealing his demonic power, and we find out the Luminary was named Erdrick. In the epilogue of the extra scenario, and that he reincarnates. Which means he is actually Erdric's past life. Since we see the Erdrick of the future, who follows his namesake, begin a similar journey. So, they scale to the first three Dragon Quests too.
     
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    Also, to elaborate Mordegon also straight up destroys Erdwin's Lantern in the main scenario. In order to prevent Calasmos' reincarnation, and destroy his body. So, it is not just scaling. He destroyed the universe Serenica created to seal Calasmos.
     
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    When was the lantern calked a universe? Also yggdrasil is only a life wiper
     
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    You played the extra scenario yet? In it we see Calasmos resurrected for real, and fight him inside Erdwin's Lantern. It is a straight up universe in there. You get there by resetting the time-line by destroying the sphere of time with the sword of light. That's when the extra scenario begins.
     
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    Just to correct myself here. Now that I have seen the seedling visions again. The Dark Star or Erdwin's Lantern always seems to have existed, and seems to be part of Calasmos' body. Which makes sense as he is embodiment of the void of outer space. Serenica did seal it away with magical glyphs, and hurled it into outer space but that's more of a feat of telekinesis. Which is still impressive because it's basically a universe crammed into something the size of a planetoid.

    Mordegon destroyed both the magical glyphs containing it, and the Dark Star itself with the Sword of Shadows. So, with that weapon he should at least be universal. He absorbed the Heart of Yggdrasil as well. So, basically Mordegon has Calasmos' power. The power of Yggdrasil. As well as the power of the Sword of Light.

    So, arguably he should be more powerful than Calasmos at that point. This should go to him effortlessly unless the Demon King becomes multiversal somehow in the near future.
     
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    Some guy borrowing anothers power rarely makes them as strong as the original user.
     
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    He straight up destroyed the Dark Star, the magical glyphs containing it, and it required a group effort between the Luminary and his allies to defeat him. Post-game even without Yggdrasil's heart? He was able to give the party a fight. When the Luminary had the Super Sword of Light. Before then he was Morcant, and he was powerful enough to contribute to Calasmos' defeat in the past. As the Seer. His remaining good half? He could create a perfect replica of Erdrea with which he could converse with the Luminary.
     
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    DQXI isnt like the other post game dqs. the characters train to the point where they were strong enough to defeat Mordegon yet are much weaker than some goons. The time capsules kept the MC as strong as after he defeated Mordegon with all prime items and abilities, not the rest.
    Mordegon's red-eye possessed world is much weaker than the green eyes because he's just much weaker.
     
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    Don't try to lecture me about something you clearly don't know a thing about. Also, nope. The time capsules only kept his items and equipment. He naturally retained all of his abilities and experience because he was the only one who actually went into the past. You would know that if you played the game. The rest of the party doesn't travel with him. They are stuck in that time-line.

    Nor is the party weaker than fodder or goons even before they "leveled-up." They were still incredibly powerful. Only difference with Rab was that he learned Pearly Gates. Jade just gets Re-Vamp. Serena just assumes Veronica's spells in order to support the group both as a healer and crowd control. Since Veronica died, and her last gift was that. Erik? He gets amnesia, and becomes weaker than he was for a while. If you are talking about unlocked skill trees? That's largely game-play mechanics.

    Sylvando and Hendrik don't learn anything new until after post-game. During the extra scenario. They are as powerful as when they fought Mordegon when he was the Lord of Shadows. Then they become stronger after that.

    Not really, and again game-play mechanics and progression. In terms of the fact he has the Heart of Yggdrasil. The Sword of Shadows. The fact he destroys the Dark Star through brute force? When Cetacea has to be upgraded just to break into it? Since normally the party can't enter the Dark Star let alone destroy it outright? Yeah, Mordegon has parity here which suggests he is either as strong or maybe even stronger than Calasmos.

    The only thing you could do is argue that it was harder to break into because Calasmos' soul had returned to it.
     
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    as i explained the "game mechanics" argument for mordegon being fodder to cal doesnt fly here due to how the game is not about "replaying to the ending" from one safe spot but continuing the journey from the past, mordegon cant be as strong because they were strong enough to defeat him at that point. some goons are stronger than mordegon after they all train to become as strong as they used to be pre timetravel.
     
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    No, they are really not. You are using game-play mechanics again, and now you are equating the time-travel to gameplay mechanics when it is a story related cut-scene. I mean holy fucking shit could you stretch this lie any farther than you already have? Also, both the vicious and malicious variants exist post-game. We see plenty of the vicious variations of monsters in Drustan's Labyrinth. So, both the red eye and green eye enemies are in the same category there. So, you were wrong regarding that as well. So, even in terms of game-play mechanics they hold parity.

    As Morcant he was a threat, and contributed to Calasmos' defeat. After absorbing his demonic power he should at least hold parity to him. Heck, it is even noted that Calasmos fears Drustan too. When talking to the Watchers after doing Hendrik's related side-quest to improve his blind man's biff.
     
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