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More than 400 hurt in French fuel price protests

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  1. Saishin Hajimemashite

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    More than 400 people were hurt, 14 seriously, in a day and night of "yellow vest" protests over rising fuel price hikes around France that claimed one life, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner said on Sunday.

    The injury toll, more than double the last tally provided on Saturday, followed what Castaner described as a "restive" night in 87 locations around the country where protesters had blocked roads to express their anger at a series of hikes in petrol tax.

    The injured, 409 in total, included 28 police, paramilitary police or firefighters.

    Castaner told RTL radio that 288,000 people had taken part in Saturday's protests at 2,034 locations countrywide. About 3,500 stayed out overnight, he added.

    Police questioned 282 protesters in total, 73 during the night, of whom 157 were taken into custody.

    "Last night was restive... There were assaults, fights, stabbings," Castaner said.

    "There were fights among 'yellow vest' protesters. There was a lot of alcohol at certain venues, which led to this idiotic behaviour."

    Protest organisers have called for more demonstrations Sunday at about 150 locations countrywide, the minister added. Protests were reported Sunday several regions across France.

    On Saturday, groups blocked roundabouts, major highways and thoroughfares to express anger over increased taxes on fuel and their shrinking purchasing power under President Emmanuel Macron.

    Tempers flared at times as some drivers confronted the protesters or tried to force their way through the barricades.

    In the eastern Savoie region, authorities said a woman trying to get her daughter to a doctor panicked after protesters surrounded her car and banged on the roof. She accelerated into the crowd and killed a 63-year-old woman.

    The protesters are nicknamed "yellow vests" for the high-visibility jackets they wear.

    An opinion poll published in the Sunday paper Journal du Dimanche meanwhile indicated that .

    The survey was conducted November 9th-17th with 1,957 respondents.



     
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  2. Dragon D. Luffy of the Stars

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    I love how the French burn thing down whenever a government decides not to do what the people want.
     
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    Better than beheading people
     
  4. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    More interesting that they probably used fuel to light that tire.

    They are complaining that oil prices are too high not understanding that oil is not an infinite resource.

    but driving to a nearby store instead of walking, riding a bicyle. Not sleeping with the TV on, not having 3 different AC's heaters instead of good old wood and fire.

    People aren't being very conservative are they.
     
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    The article specifically states that they are protesting against higher taxes on fuel, not higher fuel prices in general.
     
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    what's the difference?
     
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    They are protesting against the French government. The French government's decisions don't affect world fuel prices, only fuel taxes.
     
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    But the french government has to purchase this fuel.

    It simply means that they aren't enough net tax payers in the french government to fund the purchases.
     
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    Oil is mostly produced in the form of gasoline and diesel in order to be used by cars.

    Oil is produced overseas, mostly in Saudi Arabia in the case of France. It is then for the most part refined in France by Total S.A, a public company owned entirely by private shareholders.

    It is then traditionally sold by refineries to gas station networks either directly or through an intermediary (possibly in the case of an independent gas station).

    The French government has a net gain from this, it doesn't spend a cent to buy oil itself. The consumer pays the gas station, the gas station pays Total, Total pays Saudi Arabia. The government gets taxes from Total, the gas stations and the consumers. It then provides back some services (or not).
     
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    It's simple to say that kind of thing when you have a good job, no child, no expensive rent and massive taxes put by the government but for those protesters who have already uncovered at the middle of the month and need their cars to work, the bell ring differently, I know already peoples who will have to stop their jobs simply because they won't be able to go to work with this tax.
     
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    I think this thread should be closed, @mr_shadow.

    A thread thread about the French are protesting is like a thread saying that it's Tuesday.

    :maybe
     
  12. Dragon D. Luffy of the Stars

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    Or that the government is spending too much money with something that benefits too few people.

    Well I know nothing about French budget, but where I live you can always find some instance of the government spending 10x more money with half a dozen farmers/politicians/bankers than what they are denying to the people.
     
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    Why do they protest of fuel tax. It is mean to discourage driving private car and encourage public transport. + better for the earth
     
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    That's what they used to do. :mako

    Also, are we about to have another French Revolution? How exciting!
     
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    Unlike the majority of EU countries, the French mostly use polluting diesel cars instead of gas. This largerly undermines French environmental policy and causes many deaths due to pollution every year. It's a criminal policy.

    This is not caused by cheap diesel prices, in fact France has the 4th highest diesel price in the EU.

    This is caused by a large difference between the diesel tax and the gas tax. If, like most Europeans, the French switched to low emissions small-engined gasoline-powered cars they would see a tremendous improvement in the air quality over their cities.

    The large problem arises when you try to solve this "diesel subsidy" problem.

    France already has the 2nd highest tax on diesel in the EU. You will have to raise it even higher to match the gasoline tax, financially destroying many people in the meantime. On the other hand decreasing the tax on gasoline to match the diesel tax would only mean that the gas tax would go from 7th highest in EU to 13th highest. That's still above the EU mean.

    For the record, the French aren't known to be unusually car-dependent. Their car usage rates are lower than the EU average. They are 16th out of 28 EU countries in cars per inhabitant.

    It's known after all that the French have top quality bullet-trains, being 3rd in the EU in passenger-kilometers traveled per inhabitant. The Paris Métro, besides being so renowned as to give its name to all subway systems, is the busiest in the EU.

    The problem with France, to sum up, isn't that they're using too many cars or that they don't use public transport enough (although more usage is always welcome). It's the French system itself doesn't allow its citizens to act in environmentally sustainable ways.
     
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    The anger can be understood. In the 90's we were incitated to take diesel cars by the government because it was seen as greener at this time. Now the rise of taxes on diesel is seen as a punishment by the poorest by the rich that can afford the change to essence. It's also seen as a clash between rural France and city-dweller that unlike rural, have access to public transport to go to work.

    On the protest itself, I think they should change their method. Trying to pressure the government by blocking the average citizens don't work. They don't care they are not affected. However the average citizens blocked by this protests will hate them for that and it will create a division in the population.
     
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    speaking of diesel. it is now renewable.
    it still not green tho. but renewable.
     
  18. Hozukimaru &#32

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    How?

    Technically, in the long term, oil has always been renewable. But definitely not at the rate we're consuming it. At some point it will "run out" (the alternatives will be better economic options).
     
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    we sell Diesel/solar alternative made by palm oil, it has not been discontinued so far (prolly despite priced way higher than normal diesel it is subsidized by govt).
    it wasnt nationwide tho. kinda hard to find pumping station that sells them.

    or maybe they discontinued it completely idk.
     
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    People who bitch about having no money because they have a kid forget that no one forced them to have kids. I get really tired of that fucking argument. I know people who work with me who are five kids in and they're not making that much money, like cut it the fuck out unless you can afford it.

    By that same right people having kids in France are just adding to the fuel problem, more people need more fuel and that tax increases because this is a finite resource we're talking that is effected by wars, geopolitics, etc.

    France can't just start burning shit down and lobbing off domes every time shit doesn't go their way.
     
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    The French Do Like Aggressively Protesting.
     
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    why do people have children when they know they can't afford them.
     
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    They think they're entitled to be parents because someone else will provide for them and they have such a big duty to the world raising kids and all.
     
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    When they have children they generally can but when the government increase the tax and reduce the minimun wages, things start to become complicate.
     
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    The anger can be understood. Beside the gas, French are the second more taxed people in the world. If Macron reduce all the helps to the unemployed (and that cost a lot) it must be followed by a reduction of taxes.

    Regarding the protest itself, I believe it's a total failure. You won't have any impact on the government with these methods. It's the average people blocking other average people. The government via our prime minister said that "they hear the anger but nothing will change". They need to understand that blocking a roads around France annoys the rest of France but not the government.
     
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    This isn't gonna end well :
     
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    French love to drive. They have impressive high speed rail infrastructure but it is nothing for those who live and work in rural areas....almost everyone in a village or small town has cars (I was surprised to see this when I visited France and went off the tourist path).

    But almost all are diesel which causes lung cancer....

    Because one of the joys in life is finding someone you love and starting a family. It gives you a warm feeling that you are important to someone and can create another human being.....ironic for me to say this since I am still single LOL....probably the Latino effect from my family since it stresses having children because they are both a blessing and support system when you grow old.
     
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    This is the situation in most of Europe. Maybe the divide in the US is not so great because even people in the city use cars for their daily commute but in Europe public transportation is usually a competitive alternative outside rural areas.
     
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    The comments on that video made me laugh.
     
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