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Mu vs Jiraiya

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by oiety, May 17, 2018.

  1. oiety So it goes, the Dark - led by it's Monarch

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    Location: Naruto vs Pain.
    Mindset: IC.
    Intent: To kill.
    Distance: 30 meters.
    Knowledge: Rep for both. "Non-Person Tsuchikage", "Toad Sage Sannin".
    Restrictions: none.
    Stipulations: Mu is alive with his swords. Pain Arc Jiraiya.
     
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  2. Silnaem Oh great, another epiphany

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    Nullman GG

    He is undetectable, so sneaking up for a stab isn't a problem
    He is fast, so SM CQC isn't a problem
    He can fly, so large techs aren't a problem
     
  3. Architect of the Works of Beauty

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    Muu low diffs.
     
  4. Bonly The Yellow Flash

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    Jiraiya has his barrier which detects motion and it's huge enough to hold multiple Gamaken so Jiraiya will be able to find and react to Mu pretty fine. From there he can dodge whatever Mu can dish out from a good distance and then when he brings out Bunta he can overwhelm him with a good ol fashion oil+fire combo
     
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  5. Shark Bijū

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    Can Jiraiya find Muu with his barrier?

    What is Jiraiya going to do about Jinton?
     
  6. Kai R I N N I N G Retired Staff

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    One does not simply pit a Mu against a Jman.

    Detection Barrier/Summons GG.
     
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  7. King Itachi ^/_\^

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    Muu stomps. Different level

    Give Jiraiya some assistance from Kisame to make it a fight
     
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  8. Maverick04 Well-Known Member

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    This one has always been weird to me..Muu's invisibility erases his chakra signature and his physical presence right??? So how on earth does the motion detecting barrier detect Muu's movement when it detects one's physical movement..Even if he does detect Muu, does that really guarantee him a win?? Muu was able to evade attacks from Gaara and KCM Naruto..And then there is thw fact that he can freakin fly and keep his distance from Jiraiya all the while waiting for the right moment to pop out for a Jinton..And does Muu really have to become visible in order to use his Jinton?? Coz nothing of that sorts has been stated in the manga..I think Muu should take this fight
     
  9. Zero890 Well-Known Member

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    If he could hide his physical presence completely, Gaara could not have found him.
     
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  11. Icegaze 氷の眼差し

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    jiraiya wins
    those saying he looses cant explain why a barrier cant find him when sand could
    jiriaya finds him and kills him
     
  12. Sage light Active Member

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    His barrier is short range. Hell it covers just a short span of his body range. Muu can shoot Cubes from meters away. Jiraiya'll get killed by those. Nor is he fast enough to avoid it. Or just vapourize the area Jiraiya's standing on.
     
  13. Sapherosth One post man

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    the barrier covers himself and a boss sized summon by a huge margin.
     
  14. The_Conqueror Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya wins
    --Barrier dects muu
    --Hair jutsu kenbari senbon to exploit charge time


    So yeh jiraiya can preety much take out muus A game and then do his stuffs
     
  15. narut0ninjafan Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya's detection barrier + Shima's tongue make Muu's invisibility useless, and Jinton will be very easy to avoid when he has toads that can jump enormous distances. He also has the option of using Kebari Senbon to disrupt it before he can charge it once he's in SM :catshrug

    Jiraiya wins :catshrug
     
  16. Sage light Active Member

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    Jiraiya cant utilize his charge time with his slow af arsenal. He was reacted to by Human Path who had enough time to put up a Panda to block the needles and is the second slowest Pain.

    Whereas Gaara's sand was evaded by Muu which caught all the other Kage like sidekicks. KCM Rasengan's charge time is slower than Particle Style.

    Thinking Jiraiya can utilize a charge time even faster than KCM Naruto's Rasengan is beyond asinine and thinking Jiraiya can evade/reflex to Gaara's sand which caught V2 A in his tracks is even more asinine.


    Jiraiya's SM is even weaker than Naruto's and couldnt even handle 3 Paths, evading an attack faster than KCM is out of the question.
     
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  17. narut0ninjafan Well-Known Member

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    Why is the battledome so insistent on pushing this myth that Jiraiya "couldn't even handle 3 Paths" when that's literally exactly what he did on panel? :geg
     
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  18. Isaiah13000 The Snake that slithered over the Moon

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    For the same reason that people bring up the scan of Jiraiya saying he'd be killed by all three whilst blatantly ignoring that that was when he thought he was facing three Rinnegan users: bias.
     
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  19. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Why do they like saying he couldn’t handle K4?
     
  20. Sage light Active Member

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    And Jiraiya didn't know about the abilities of The Rinnegan. He based it on whatever ability the Paths showed uptill then.
     
  21. FlamingRain Living Legend Moderator

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    Read that fight again. From the very beginning Jiraiya was wondering where all the rest of Nagato's techniques were at, and when said he'd be killed he said that'd be if things kept proceeding like they were, i.e.- if they kept showing new abilities to counter whatever he tried. He called the plan he came up with later a gamble because they could have had more than what they'd shown.
     
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  22. hbcaptain Well-Known Member

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    Unless, Jiraya starts in SM, I don't see him surviving Jinton. Alhtough sensing barrier is enough to keep track on Muu, it's still not enough to completly neutralize his fighting style.
     
  23. Polandfan Time to retire from NF. "This is it"

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    He would fly in the air,desintegrate Toads and kill Jiraiya eventually. Flying can prevent him from Yomi Numa, Katons and Rasenguns, so Muu high diffs.
     
  24. Anime Get Jinxed!

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    Particle style sure is a skill to be praised though Jiraya has a more in depth skill set to be able to face him off and live to tell the tale if he were still alive that is.
    Ps: I'd love to see that fight go down though.
    :approved
    Spoiler:
    :swtf
     
  25. Matto Chosen One

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    Jiraiya wins.

    He can detect the Tsuchikage with his Detection Barrier, which would alert him to Muu's presence the moment it makes contact. This counters Muu's style of sneaking up on an enemy while invisible, then emerging to blast them with Dust Release. If he fires his Dust Release techniques outside the barrier's generous area of effect, Jiraiya would have enough time to react to it and evade it. Dust Release has never been impossible to dodge from a distance.

    Indeed, Jiraiya has techniques to help him stay safe. For example, he's shown skill using Shadow Clones as feints to mislead the enemy. He can also flatten himself to evade attacks - or to hide - using his Toad Silhouette Technique. He can also hide in his Barrier: Toad Gourd Prison by creating a distraction.

    Jiraiya can also exploit the charge time that comes with Dust Release. Since Jiraiya would know where he is, he could counter with Wild Lion's Mane. The technique is fast and can be controlled, and is apt to catch Muu off-guard.

    Jiraiya's summons can also support him. Jiraiya can take advantage of their added mobility to jump out of the way of long-range Dust Release beams. And offensively, the toads offer some potent fire power (e.g., Water Release: Water Cannonballs, Sage Art: Syrup Gun). I fail to see how a flying Muu could defend himself against Fire Release: Toad Oil Flamethrower. The area of effect is simply too large, and being in the air Muu can't dodge it by going underground.

    Jiraiya doesn't need Sage Mode to win this fight, though that would make the battle easier.
     
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  26. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Cant believe we agree on something ....though i think jirayia would need to summon ma and pa to win.
     
  27. WorldsStrongest Dio With It

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    Jman gets mid diffed by Mu if he doesnt start in SM

    Hes a tier higher than him and counters his moveset pretty well

    Jmans summons are off the table because they are just massive and easy targets for Jinton OHKO

    Jmans techniques are also useless in a direct clash because Jinton will just blow through anything Jman uses

    Mu can fly which gives him a huge advantage in mobility and total immunity to Jmans area of effect attacks and land based moves

    And Jman cant find him or block a single attack of Mus or he dies...

    Mu is in exactly 0 danger here at any point

    You could make an argument if this was SM jman, but him starting in base means Mu rocks his world
    He couldnt find the chameleon

    So no

    An inb4 "thats because the chameleon didnt enter the barrier"

    Thats bullshit

    As bonly points out...
    The barrier is huge

    ... ...Meaning the chameleon was WELL within the barrier range and Jman still couldnt find it

    The barrier doesnt detect motion...Thats DB fanfic garbage...The manga explains and SHOWS exactly what it can and CANT do just fine

    ...Its very clearly outlined what it does and it doesnt detect motion...It doesnt relay their position within the barrier at all times...If it did Jman wouldnt have had any difficulty finding chameleon,
     
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  28. WorldsStrongest Dio With It

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    Team Jman crying about bias

    Well now ive seen everything
     
  29. Marsala The Ice-Cream Man Cometh

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    They are on the same level. Jinton is better than anything Jiraiya can do, and Mu having invisibility and flight makes it even worse. However Jiraiya has the abilities and skill level to counter Mu.

    Advantage Mu, but Jiraiya should win some of the time.
     
  30. Sapherosth One post man

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    For once I learned something new in this BD.
     
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