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Naruto Part 1: Orochimaru vs. Jiraiya vs. Itachi Uchiha

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shinobi1jutsu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:29 PM.

  1. Shinobi1jutsu New Member

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    The Toad Sage Jiraiya, Orochimaru, and Itachi Uchiha...

    During Naruto Part one... these three are strongly suggested to be the best/most powerful characters in the show.

    During Part One... which of these three do you think is most/least powerful???

    Without any handicaps (ie Orochimaru would have use of his arms, Jiraiya would not be poisoned, etc...)

    Who would win in these fights

    Jiraiya vs Orochimaru

    Jiraiya vs. Itachi

    Itachi vs. Orochimaru


    Also, in part one... assuming Kimimaro was alive and totally healthy, would he be a threat to any or all of these three???
     
  2. RahulPK04 Active Member

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    Itachi vs Orochimaru: Itachi wins..He did it twice in the series
    Jiraiya vs Orochimaru: Even though Jiraiya was drugged it was still not as bad as being Armless and jutsuless.. Orochimaru was somewhat holding his own against Tsunade and Jiraiya..I'm gonna say Orochimaru would beat him
    Jiraiya vs Itachi: Itachi would beat him..Jiraiya didn't use Sage mode in part one..so I don't see him dodging Amaterasu.. Moreover Itachi isn't handicapped by his illness either so I don't see why he can't make Jiraiya cuck down like he did against Orochimaru

    Healthy Itachi>Orochimaru>Base Jiraiya

    If this was Jiraiya with all his zillion summons and Sage mode along with Maa and Paa, I'd the put him slightly above Itachi, just because we haven't really seen Itachi with good Stamina coz of his illness..so I can't really assume much

    No Kimimaro wouldn't be much of a problem for either of the three
     
  3. Bonly Full Metal

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    Jiraiya was said to be able to beat the Akatsuki, Itachi is apart of them and Orochi was apart of them so Jiraiya wins this three way battle
     
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  4. RahulPK04 Active Member

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    True dat..But Itachi was said to be invincible by Black zetsu so he solos
    :loool
     
  5. Bonly Full Metal

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    Itachi knows himself better then Zetsu so Jiraiya>Invincibility :catflower
     
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  6. RahulPK04 Active Member

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    So Itachi + Akatsuki as backup would lose to Jiraiya..Even though Jiraiya lost to Pain..hmmm
     
  7. Serene Grace Greatest Hokage

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    Yup just as Itachi saying a fight between him and Jiraiya would end with each others death or badly injured is 100 percent true and that somehow equates to Itachi admitting inferiority, so his statement about Jiraiya beating them with even more backup 100 percent true. :zaru
     
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  9. RahulPK04 Active Member

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    Fair enough..Godraiya solos Orochimaru and Itachi
     
  10. Lee-Sensei The Clown Prince of Crime

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    Orochimaru already lost to Itachi and he was weakened during Part 1.
     
  11. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Oro would beat Jiraiya, as canonically stated.

    Itachi and Jiraiya is tricky. But in most battle conditions, I'd give it to Itachi. If Jiraiya can land SM, it becomes more equal. But I can see him struggling with Itachi.

    If Oro doesn't fuck around, I can see him winning against Itachi.

    Kimimaro would make each shinobi (I/J/O) use some serious firepower, like they won't be in "hold back" mode due to the nature of his jutsu. But I don't think he could seriously threaten them. Without a doubt, he'd nullify Taijutsu against him.
     
  12. Zero890 Member

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    When?
     
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    Itachi's character > Jiriaya > Orochimaru. Amongst all the Techniques between each of those characters the top several are all that of Itachi's character. All of the characters are amazingly skilled in general but those Techniques and Sage Mode give them an edge over Orochimaru. As for Itachi's character vs. Jiraiya:

    -Kisame seems to think that Itachi's character is superior.

    -Itachi's character doesn't perform any less well against Prime Nagato than Jiraiya does against the Paths version of Nagato.

    -Orochibuto is arguably superior to Jiraiya and Itachi's character is superior to Orochibuto.

    Of course this is all just in my opinion. :p
     
  14. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Oro beat Jiraiya in the manga, firstly.

    Secondly, when they were handicapped, Oro said with equal handicaps the difference between them still exists. At that point, Oro was easily able to dispatch Jiraiya before he went for Naruto.

    Says a lot when in Kishi's mind, Jiraiya with limited access to jutsu is equal to Orochimaru who can't use his arms and jutsu at all.
     
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    That was some time ago and we do not know the circumstances of the combat, as it is most likely that Jiraiya never had any intentions of killing Orochimaru in that combat.

    Jiraiya also said that he would end Orochimaru in that fight, whom should we believe? You have to analyze that part well, Orochimaru take advantage of Jiraiya's concern for Naruto to be able to hit him, as sometimes say a partner can be a hindrance, in normal combat Jiraiya will not have to be defending a wounded child.


    Not only were Jutsus limited, Jiraiya could not move well either and with luck some Jutsus came out and it is not as if Orochimaru had no Jutsu because in that fight he showed several. Kishi never shows us Orochimaru above Jiraiya, in fact tells us otherwise when Itachi appears.
     
  16. Lee-Sensei The Clown Prince of Crime

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    In Part 1 Itachi said that the bost he could get against Jiraiya is a mutual kill. Itachi also beat Orochimaru. Take that for what it's worth.
     
  17. professor83 What is Dead may never die (☉)

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    Base jiraiya≥ Itachi+ Kisame+Backups
    Sage Jiraiya lost to 6 pop

    So yeah if the plot restricts jiraiya and let him go to a weaker sage mode then itachi could give him trouble.

    But base jiraiya has no equal. Jubbito lost a fight to Base jiraiya without jiraiya even fighting him
     
  18. JiraiyaFlash Satô no Kyoki

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    Going with canon (which wasnt a statement but whatever.
    going with fantasy :D :D Jiraiya's superiority over Itachi also a canon statement why dont you go with statements this time ? Specially in P1 perspective.
    Now its comes to "not fucking around" what happened to canon statements again ?

    Definition of hypocrisy :D


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    P1 perspective:

    Jiraiya = Oroc >> Itachi
     
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  19. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    He did the second time and Oro said the difference still existed.

    Jiraya tried to end Oro but he failed, while we saw Oro easily dispatching Jiraiya. That's another indicator.

    Jiraiya could still move, he could still use some Taijutsu and had access to limited Ninjutsu. Orochimaru literally had no useable arms and relied on Kabuto to summon. Despite this, he was still beating Jiraiya.

    Actually, Kishi did indicate Jiraiya's inferiority. First, the battle outcome and second, the 1-on-1 battle outcome, with a statement.
     
  20. Zero890 Member

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    You base yourself enough on the word of Orochimaru himself, why ignore that Jiraiya said the same thing? you also ignore the context of the situation again JIRAIYA RESULT WOUNDED FOR DEFENDING NARUTO and was never defeated, it is as if you said that Bee fought to the maximum against Kisame WHEN BEE CAME IN PROBLEMS FOR DEFENDING SABU AND PONTA. Kishi gave us the indication that Jiraiya was in the same condition as Orochimaru because it is clear that he needed to drug it so that the battle was equal and Orochimaru could also use Ninjutsu and Taijutsu (as many as Jiraiya). Kishi never gives us any indication that Orochimaru is superior and I repeat it seems to do the opposite when Itachi appears.
     
  21. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Oro's word holds weight when he owned Jiraiya with what Oro considered equal handicaps... In reality, Oro's handicap was worse.

    Tsunade defended Naruto, not Jiraiya. In fact, if you used your head a little with this: Jiraiya would fight harder if he was protecting Naruto... he got owned instead.

    In Kishi's mind, Oro with no arms and no Ninjutsu (needing Kabuto to summon for him on top of that) makes him equal to Jiraiya who has limited access to jutsu. Why are these disadvantages not registering to the guy who's crying "context"? :lmao

    Kishi always gave us indications that Oro was superior, you're ignoring the evidence. With Itachi, he merely said that he and Jiraiya could kill each other. Then Kisame casts doubt to that by saying Itachi didn't need to run, which makes sense when you realise Sasuke's protection was Itachi's reason for visiting Konoha.

    Though, Jiraiya and Itachi are in the same tier, Itachi would still win more often. Oro cements that. Orochimaru who didn't really experiment on himself owned Jiraiya, and he was owned by Itachi for fucking around. Jiraiya couldn't beat a pre-experiments Oro, and you're saying he can take a post-experiments Oro. :lmao
     
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    Kishi never gives us indications of such a thing, you are the one who gets to digress that when it really is the opposite. Itachi accepts that he would die along with Jiraiya base, the same Itachi that destroyed Orochimaru that if it is a clear evidence of who is superior. Lol and now it also happens that protecting Naruto gives Jiraiya more strength ... why was he hurt? Orochimaru took advantage of the situation when he was going to attack Naruto to take Jiraiya off guard. THAT IS A DISADVANTAGE, but if as always you continue to ignore the context.
     
  23. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Oro > Jiraiya
    Indicator 1: Oro beat Jiraiya
    Indicator 2: more disabled Oro beats Jiraiya
    Indicator 3: Oro confirms difference
    Indicator 4: Oro with Manda was about to destroy Jiraiya till Tsunade intercepted

    This cannot be more straightforward. :lmao
     
  24. Zero890 Member

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    Jiraiya had broken bones and it was not Orochimaru who invoked Manda or Jiraiya was defeated, and that canon tells us how Jiraiya was comparable to the leader of Akatsuki while Orochimaru was destroyed by one of the subordinates and in fact that subordinate admitted not being able to with Jiraiya. In fact now that I see you say that the word of Itachi and Pain is false and that of Orochimaru is not ... for more that you do not like and you search crazy nothing will remove that Jiraiya P1 and P2 until before the war is> > Orochimaru.
     
  25. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Orochimaru literally had no useable arms and he was still beating Jiraiya. I really don't know how this can be communicated any clearer to you. :neutral
     
  26. Zero890 Member

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    He never defeated Jiraiya and this also could not use Ninjutsu or move well, why do you insist so much on denying that they were in the same conditions?

    base Jiraiya + his invocations is> Orochimaru P1 with Edos

    Jiraiya SM + everything else is> Orochimaru P2 with Edos Hashi and Tobi, later versions of Orochimaru if they are superior to Jiraiya.
     
  27. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    The dude literally beat Jiraiya without arms... like I said, I really cannot see how this can be any clearer.
     
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    Jiraiya was drugged and had some broken bones ... and he did everything he did WHY KABUTO WAS WITH HIM (why it was not Orochimaru who invoked Manda) and Naruto WAS WHO GAVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE JIRAIYA INJURED, in some moment you will have to learn to analyze the combats ...
     
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    No arms... no Ninjutsu... how is this not registering?
     
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    You have a serious problem analyzing things.
     

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