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Naruto training; a simple solution to kyuubi rage problem.

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by sadated_peon, Oct 12, 2006.

  1. sadated_peon

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    So we saw that during the training naruto can lose control and start with the tails, and yamato has to use the wooden giraffes to seal him?

    A simple solution to this is just have the clones train while naruto sits on the ground.
    Considering only the real naruto can go kyuubi the clones can train all they want without any fear of the loss of control.

    And considering there are thousands of clones it doesn?t matter if naruto himself sits out.
     
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  2. Shishi-O

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    ...omfg, that is a really good idea.:amazed
     
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    The 2000 Kyuubified Narutos that faced Kimimaro beg to differ.
     
  4. sadated_peon

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    ????

    They were copies of a kyuubified naruto, they didn't go kyuubified.
     
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    Incorrect. Bunshins can indeed become kyuubi-fied. If you look at the chapter where they kill the Itachi clone, you can see both Narutos involved in the Oodama Rasengan are in KN0. It's chapter 260, pages 10-11.

    I think he used a couple of kyuubi bunshins to attack Deidara too.

    Edit: yup, he does. Ch. 277, page 7 and on. One of them even goes KN2.
     
  6. sadated_peon

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    They were copies of a kyuubified naruto, they didn't go kyuubified.
     
  7. Junas

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    The clones will become Kyuubified anyway. No stopping it as much as they would want. I think all clones and Naruto share the same mind so it's not likely they have a choice.
     
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    good theory so far
     
  9. sadated_peon

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    When a clone is created it doesn't also create another kyuubi sealed inside each clone. There is not kyuubi for the clone to draw from, each clone will exist as long as the chakura naruto gave them holds out.

    The clones DON'T share the same mind as proven by the fact that naruto didn't know what was going on with the other clone in the woods with kakashi until it dispelled.
     
  10. chionophile

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    *sigh*. I guess it's too much to expect that you actually looked at the pages I mentioned or reread my post after I edited it. If you had done either of these, you would have been informed that one of Naruto's bunshins goes KN2 while Naruto isn't even in KN0. You actually get to watch the tails form.

    Chapter 277. Read it.
     
  11. sadated_peon

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    It is NARUTO that goes kn2 not the clone.
     
  12. Chatulio

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    The clones are still tapped into the Kyuubi force though so technically they did :oh Though they lack the ability to maintain themselves at high levels.
     
  13. Junas

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    Oh I overlooked that about clones not sharing the same mind. Although the clones still have access to the Kyuubi chakra because part of it probably leaked thru into Naruto's normal chakra. Thus they can change into Kyuubi mode.
     
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    i believe...naruto uses the kyuubis chakra for him to be able to use taiju kage bunshin no jitsu....and for him to summon all those clones is enough for him to use that much chakra to take into kyuubi form...plus he is using most of the kyuubis chakra for the clones to be able to mold and alter the form of chakra...

    its just a guess wehehe
     
  15. sadated_peon

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    No, they are not tapped into the kyuubi force. They are seperate from naruto and have their own amount of chakra.

    Kyuubi is seperate from the clones, the clones can not access more chakra then they were given by naruto when they were created.
     
  16. Junas

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    You make a good point there. Kyuubi is separate from the clones, although his chakra leaks thru into Naruto's chakra. Then Naruto creates the clones with that amount of chakra. You are right about each clone having their own chakra that they "borrowed" from Naruto. Props to you.
     
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    If you remember the Deidera Fight, where Naruto gets ahold of her clay clone, he whips the shit out of her. And when he starts growing a tail, the clone next to Kakashi mutters something about how hot it is before falling to the ground. The Clones DO NOT KYUUBIFY beyond KN0.
     
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    Well, the fact that he is using thousands of clones means he's pumping some sort of Kyuubi chakra in them. Though, it's not a bad idea, but Naruto would probably become equally fustrated not doing anything, or watching his clones train and nothing coming out of it.
     
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    I think you're overlooking the main point. WHY is Naruto getting kyuubified? He does in order to create enough bunshins. So to be able to gain the most out of his training he has to be in the restrained kyuubi form. Even if he just sits by he uses his chakra to create the clones thus making the theory inaccurate.
     
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    I think there is one thing that indicates they can go Kyuubi, the fact that Yamato is needed at all to restrain the Kyuubi. Kakashi isn't stupid, if this was possible he would have done it.
     
  22. The Uchiha Wrath

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    Well it should be possible, but uptil now there have been no instances where Naruto is Kyuubi while his clones are not and vice versa and I doubt we'll ever see it happen =/
     
  23. sadated_peon

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    I don?t mean that they can?t be created with kyuubi chakra, but that they can not grow out of control.

    Naruto being frustrated is small price to pay for not going kyuubi.

    No, that is not why he is getting kyuubified, he lost control and started gaining tails when he was trying to do rasengan, not when he was trying to produce clones.

    He is needed to restrain naruto if he goes kyuubi, as in the giraffes, this is not need with just clones.
     
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    If all they needed to do was let the real Naruto stay aside then Yamato wouldn't be necessary at all.
     
  25. sadated_peon

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    exactly, a simple solution to the kyuubi rage problem.
     
  26. Tsukiyomi

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    I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying its not possible, if it were possible they would have done it. Kakashi would have just had Naruto do that, he's not stupid.
     
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    You are begging the question.
     
  28. Tsukiyomi

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    We've seen Kyuubified Kage Bunshins, just because they were created after Naruto went Kyuubi means nothing. If they couldn't tap its power then they would just be normal clones.

    We have no reason to believe they can't go Kyuubi.

    I'll say it again, Kakashi isn't stupid. He would have known to have Naruto just stand aside if it would have helped.

    Do you really think Kishimoto would add that into the storyline? "Oh, by the way, Yamato you weren't really necessary, we just like to dick with you".
     
  29. SpadeZ

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    My reasoning to this is that he probbably cannot even create the new jutsu without the Kyuubi power. He will need such a tremendoes force to fuse wind element and rasengan I just can't see him doing it without Kyuubi. (I could be wrong.)
     
  30. The_Leader

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    Technically, doesn't this jutsu require a eff load of chakra to do?

    I would understand if this was a lowering ranking jutsu, but Naruto himself says that rasengan is hard enough.

    Don't think clones have enough by themself.
     
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