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Not A Sannin Bashing Thread, But Aren't They...

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by Divinstrosity, Jun 2, 2007.

  1. Divinstrosity

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    Pretty much done for?

    It seemed that Orochimaru was a major villian, but became completely dispensable after he was done training Sasuke. Considering that the other Sannin were responsible for training a member of team 7, are they about to be killed off as well?

    Just wondering 'cause...even Orochimaru wasn't all that relevant to the plot, and we were counting on him being the final villian. Jiraiya and Tsunade seem less relevant than he does. Now that we're in pt. 2, and the Sannin have trained the member's of team 7 ... it's seem's time for the new generation to take over. If they don't take over in 2, then when? If I recall correctly, Kishi said their would only be two part's. So, while the Sannin may have a battle - it would seem that their relevance has passed - and their next big battle may be their last. I just think about how easily Oro went down .... and how that doesn't look too good for the remaining two...

    Before someone flip's out, these are only my opinions - and I'm not trying to pass them off as absolute fact's. Just want to get your opinion on the matter...
     
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  2. Odlam

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    Without Orochimaru to anchor Jiraiya to the plot, Jiraiya is just begging to be a high level jobber for either the Akatsuki Leader or some other powerful individual to inspire Naruto to try harder
     
  3. The Juggernaut

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    well with oro being reintroduced as part of kabuto, it may leave an opportunity for both Jiraiya and Tsunade to play a more active role in the plot. Since Jiraiya has his connection with Oro and Tsunade has unfinished buisness with Kabuto, since he toyed with her during the Sannin fight.
     
  4. King Scoop

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    They are in their 50s and only came out of retirement because of Oro and Akatsuki. They have already been replaced by the 4ths and Kakashi's generation who's about to be replaced by Naruto's generation. So they more than deserve to not have to do a lot.
     
  5. Noble Avenger

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    All three will die.

    Tsunade is a bumbling fool with big tits.
    Jiraiya is a failure as a teacher and was always inferior to Oro.
    Oro is slithering somewhere, but is weakened and will eventually die.

    The new Sanin will surpass them. My bet is Kakashi or Naruto killed Kabutomaru, Jiraiya is killed by the AL, Tsunade is killed by BH

    Final battle equals...

    AL/Itachi/BH vs the new Sanin, Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura.
     
  6. The_Light

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    ^sounds about right
     
  7. Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki

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    I can't wait :3

    I was hoping for Jiraiya to be killed by Orochimaru before his ultimate defeat at the hands of Naruto and Sasuke, but alas...
     
  8. Protean Stratagem

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    Mmm, for all intents and purposes, "Orochimaru" by himself is dead. Kabuto will have at least equal footing in all decision-making.

    Tsunade has shortened her life, and has yet to show strategic combat with her abilities. She'll do something that will fuck someone else over, or anger the hell out of Jiraiya. She wont live very long afterwards though...

    Jiraiya can only die in battle for the next 10-18 years. But I'm sure he's getting weaker as time goes on so he wont do all too much unless he needs to save Konoha and Tsunade is either busy or dead.
    Yeah, the Sanin will live on in their pupils but they're gonna die.
     
  9. The Butcher

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    each generation is atleast in theory supposed to surpass the previous, so yeah.
     
  10. Kenpachi_Uchiha

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    I felt that as soon as Oro himself became expendable, that the rest of the sannin would be fodder sooner or later. Killing Jiraiya is an easy way to hype the Al, in fact i made thread stating that same thing. They were only meant to be teachers nothing more. NF put the sannin at this untoucable level but they were never popular in Japan and would be killed of soon enough.
     
  11. Kuroro

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    Tsunade and Jiraiya especially have yet to lose their entire significance to the plot. They'll most likely serve as foddler for both BH and AL, and during the process, we may see similar developments to the said characters as to how the Sandaime helped to development Orochimaru's character. All I can say though is that the fights should be pretty good.
     
  12. mystictrunks

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    Jiraiya training a Kage >>>> Oro's training a Sasuke.
     
  13. Kenpachi_Uchiha

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    Kage being extremly talented enough to create his own techniques means nothing i guess huh. I really think Yondaime was more a self-made creation and has not that much to do with Jiraiya except the the frog summons.

    Oro's training of a genin> Jiraiya's training of a genin
     
  14. InfIchi

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    Jiraiya Training a Dumbass > Oro Training a Genius
     
  15. Kenpachi_Uchiha

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    Oro's training a genius> Jiraiya, yamato, kakashi's training your so called dumbass

    meh. Plus so called dumbass has shown ability to learn well if you look at part I.
     
  16. Noble Avenger

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    Not really. Oro did a FAR FAR better job of tutoring his pupil over the timeskip.

    Yondy's excellence was probably due to himself more than Jiraiya's training. That or Jiraiya hates Naruto, which I don't seem to believe...
     
  17. InfIchi

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    Sasuke > Knew the Basics. Had the Sharingan. Was a "Genius". Mature.

    Naruto > Knew Little of the Basics. still lacked some Concentration. does not learn well by Explanation. very Immature.

    Orochimaru Improved the stats and jutsu that Sasuke already had. and allow him to copy his moves, rather then teach them to him from Scratch. (yes. He still has to train his body, Thus the "Improve his Stats")

    Jairaya had to teach naruto something most ninja who paid attention in class already knew(Most if not all the basic jutsu he should have learned). then improve on that, and improve his stats.
     
  18. Noble Avenger

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    Eh, that is a fair suggestion BUT Naruto knew the basics of summoning, Sasuke had never summoned anything. Post-Skip Sasuke is spewing snakes left and right, we still haven't seen Naruto summon any frogs worthwhile except Gama. Aren't there any mid-sized frogs, or parts of frogs (such as the stomach of a fire-breething one) that would be useful?
     
  19. Kenpachi_Uchiha

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    meh i keep hearing that naruto does not learn well, but he still learned the rasengan the most complex form manipulation in a few weeks, learned Kagebushin in one night, and learned to summon in a month. He learns well just not as well as sasuke for obvious reasons.
     
  20. Kai Retired Staff

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    Jiraiya can do whatever he pleases, really. He doesn't appear to have any interest in taking offensive actions against Akatsuki, unlike the rest o Konoha. He's just badass in that respect- joins in whenever he feels he's up for it, whether its after pimpin hoes or writing porn novels.

    Tsunade can go die.
     
  21. Kenpachi_Uchiha

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    Lol Jiraiya knows better than to get involved. All the sannin are expendable now that Oro the most important to date has "died". The toad hermit is living on borrowed time.:amuse
     
  22. InfIchi

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    Summoning is easy, Cut finger > Sign Contract > Bit thumb > Focus Chakra > Summon.

    Sasuke has used the Summons when they were needed. And Snakes, As i've seen. Are better for Binding an you're enemy Or protecting you're self. Bind Suigetsu and Juugo. Protect himself from the bomb. I forget if he summoned more..

    Naruto Probably has not felt he needed the toads yet probably because he was always kinda angry. Deidara Mini Skirmish KN0, Oro fight KN4, Mini Kabuto Skirmish Toads would have been easier to spot then the Cloans. Mini Skirmish with Orochimaru, may or may not have summoned. Mini Skirmish with Sasuke Too Dumbfounded/Tired/Worn out/Heart broken to summon. pick you're choice. Kakuzu fight, Wanted to show off his new jutsu.

    Frogs seem good for Combo attacks if you have fire, Spit oil > Fire > Liquid fire. Armor Frog good for defence. little Frogs, good for spying. or maybe naruto simply does not have that much control of his chakra yet so summon any frog he wants. i don't know.

    But im sure there are many mid sized frogs that could help.
     
  23. holdemrules

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    Kakashi will die if Jiraya dies

    No more Porno books = suicide for kakashi

    just like his dad
     
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    I beg to differ that the sannin have past their prime just yet, but they will get there / pass it before the end of the manga...

    I mean, look at the 3rd's fight with Oro... he was able to keep up with his moves and was mainly only defeated cuz he had to also fight against two other hokage's... And those three that the 3rd fought were all at a prime age....
     
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    well the whole theme is the new generation surpasses the old, so this makes sense even though its kinda sad because i like the sannin a lot
     
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    Heh, if being non-essential to the plot meant a character should be killed off so many of the rookie 9 would be dead now. That aside, no, I don't see Jiraiya/Tsunade both dying, that would simply be...too tragic, having all three of the Sannin dying. There's only so much I can take.
     
  27. Kwheeler

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    All sincerity aside Jiraiya will not let himself be killed for the simple fact that there are still women in the world that he has not slept with. Tsunade iso ne of them so she can't die either. They need to hook up and produce the uber-children of tomorrow.
     
  28. Mintaka

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    Yes they will die.

    Tsunade will be "absorbed" into sakura thus endowing her with huge tits and jiraiya will be killed by the BH when he tries to spy on her showering.
     
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