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Obito becoming jj or Madara becoming jj which one was more memorable ?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by dante1729, Dec 8, 2018.

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    Obito.

    Asspulldara was cheap.
     
  3. BlinkST All is well in the kingdom

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    Obito, especially when he overcame the Juubi.
     
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    Obito was more memorable and more interesting in terms of character development.

    Madara becoming jj felt a bit too much like a repeat. Like, the bad guy got defeated but the eternal tsukuyomi needs to happen for plot so let's redo the whole thing but with a different bad guy.

    It was cool, but less cool.
     
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    Obito.

    He was also a better Ten-Tails Jinchūriki despite being inferior power-wise. He showcased more Jinchūriki abilities as compared to Madara.

    The Quad Jūbidama, Musekiyōjin & Sword of Nunoboko are some examples of what Madara could have used.
     
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    Madara ever was the stronger of the two but he was more fitting the role of Greater Scope Villain that the actual Big Bad.

    Kishi loved him as an Invincible Villain and even hyped him as having no weaknesses but hardly gave him as much development or connection to other main characters as Obito got.

    In fact...till Limbo, Madara had no truly unique jutsu of his own not counting a few big katons. His only used MS jutsu was Susanoo which already two Uchihas showcased before. Preta was used by Nagato. And Mokuton was already shown by Hashi and Yamato.

    Its like Kishi did not want to give him anything truly unique. No trademark unique jutsus nor an unique fighting style. Just a buffed version of the strongest powers already showcased before.

    No real connection to neither Naruto, Sasuke or Kakashi. Only to Hashirama. And Obito I guess but even that could have been developed a bit better I think...

    So no wonder why many seem to consider the guy more of a plot device that an actual character.

    Him casually taking Hashi's SM and making Juubi his bitch in a second was impressive but hardly as memorable as Obito struggling against Juubi's will. Madara had crazy talent and everything was coming easily to him. Obito on the other hand was a crazy determinator villain whose struggles were more interesting and entertaining IMO.

    I wonder sometimes if the main reason for his existence was to give one of the two last villains be an evil Sasuke just like Obito was an evil Naruto. So basically to have both evil counterparts of the two main characters as the chief villains. :hm
     
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    I honestly had a hazy memory of both. I remember Madara's slightly better because I rewatched some of his final scenes in the series. But JJ Obito was definitely more carefully developed and well written.
     
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    Madara swiftly one-shotting all 9 bijuu and murdering both Naruto and Sasuke was impressive, but ultimately anti-climatic when he just casually vacuum-sealed the Juubi into himself and got a new outfit. And to make matters worse, he pretty much used his powers exactly like Obito.
     
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    Honestly he used the Juubi's powers worse and less creatively than Obito.
     
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    Obito by far

    Overcoming the Juubi was a monumental moment, and showed it took legit strength, both physical and mental, to control that kind of power, and Madara just soaked it all in like a sponge, even when he took Sage Mode from Hashirama and could miraculously use it seamlessly.
    IF, Madara had to go through the same thing as Obito did to overcome the Juubi, it would have been amazing to see, even if it showed Madara facing it down in their shared Mental World, and Madara straight up dominating its will.
    This would have been a way to show us how much more of a being/prodigy/character/badass/etc that Madara was.

    I believe this was due to Obito not being in control and using as many options as he now had available to stay alive/kill everyone, whereas Madara was just flexing on everyone because he was confident he had won already.
    In reality, Madara could/should have whipped out his Susano'o and just cast his IT uninterrupted while an army of Wood Clones killed everyone else off and kept the Edo Kage from interfering.
     
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    Obito's for all the reasons already stated. I honestly don't even know why it needed to happen, and why the big bad title didn't just go straight to Kaguya. He got his fight with Hashirama, we had a nice subversion in Obito seemingly not being overtaken by the man that was obviously the more worse villain, and everything that happened after could have been transferred to Kaguya so she'd look less like a two-second Diabolus ex Nihilo that doesn't have any victories on panel.
     
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    Obito, by far.
     
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    Obito. He really put effort into becoming the Juubi Jinchurki. There was emotion behind it and he didn't shit in the entire verse.

    The series would have been better off if Shodai and the other Kage took down Madara and the shit that is Kaguya was reserved for the movies.
     
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    Ya'll are saying Obito for being the first human in history to do so. It's like when PlayStation was a video gaming revolution, PlayStation 2 was the evolution that set a new standard for the medium.
     
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    I don't think anyone was saying Obito because he was the first?
     
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    :catskully

    Obito had like an entire buildup and willed his way to make the seals to become the Jin. Even then he had to overpower the Juubi's will. Madara just sort of got it and it wasn't even treated as special because it had already been done.
     
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    Madara's just kinda felt forced.
     
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    The limits of Jinchuriki were pushed even further with the introduction of Jubi Obito. I took the liberty of knowing the connections to that memory is guiding some comments. :sag


    :facepalm felt forced how for Gah's sake.

    Tobi started out as "Madara" because it is y-know, Madara's show, before turning into something of a situational enemy to him.
     
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