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Official Konoha's Spherical Barrier

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by Narutimate Hero, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. Hellion

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    Also why are you getting so bent out of shape by this. How does this in anyway take away from the story?
     
  2. Tyrannos

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    As it was said above, Orochimaru, Kabuto, the Sound Four, and Baki and the Sand Siblings were already inside. While the Sand and Sound Nins were outside the Detection Barrier, waiting for Orochimaru's Signal. So it was worthless then.

    Then you got the Second Visit by the Sound Four, which most likely could be explained that Orochimaru or Kabuto told them how to circumvent the Barrier (like how Itachi did).


    All in all, the only thing this Detection Barrier screws up, is the filler anime episodes. :laugh
     
  3. Batman

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    Agreed.

    My only thoughts were that the guy sitting all day creating the barrier has the shittiest job in the village. Or maybe not because I doubt he get's many bathroom breaks.
     
  4. Sαge

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    Didn't the sand forces and their "Hokage" get invited to the exams?

    And are you guys forgetting sound came in with, ummm, giant snakes? :huh

    I'm pretty sure you wouldn't need to rely on a detection barrier when 3 giant snakes just blew threw your front wall.
     
  5. Hellion

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    LOL

    And the only time he is rewarded for his job is when someone invades and he detects it. He must have got a ton a shit about the Oro invasion. That has to be the shit job of Konoha :laugh
     
  6. ndevice

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    you mean copying hunter x hunter again. :wink
     
  7. son_michael

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    and all this time we thought anyone could just walk into Konoha....

    I mean what the hell is that barrier?! who's that priest guy and is this a bloodline ability or something?


    damm this chapter just showed how badass Konoha is,there security system would make it where NOBODY other than super elite Ninja like Pain could infiltrate Konoha



    to me this chapter just made Konoha feel like the strongest again :awesome
     
  8. Kokain

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    Yeah. You can really see the difference when you compare Konoha to Hidden Sand--they've got chuunins on a wall and three guys with binoculars monitoring the security of the entire village.
     
  9. Gomu Ningen

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    That probably explains why they keep the front gate wide open all day with no one guarding it, except occasionally the failures known as Izumo and Kotetsu.
     
  10. Dark Ascendant

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    Orochimaru or Itachi weren't just "anyone". They were high enough up on the ladder to know these things.
     
  11. lucid dream

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    Yeah, I always used to lol at the fact that Itachi and Kisame just waltzed in. Guess not.

    I rather think I've been underestimating Konoha a bit after that and the Orochimaru attack. In hindsight bias though, it seems almost obvious they'd have a barrier in a world were many essentially have "magic" at their disposal.
     
  12. Grrblt

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    Yup. Konoha has 5 guys sent out to kill intruders, Suna has hundreds of guys guarding the wall. Konoha looks pathetic in comparison.
     
  13. son_michael

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    I agree about the chuunin exam explanation


    im sure the barrier was taken down at that time
     
  14. Kokain

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    The issue here is one of efficiency.

    Those hundreds of ninja stuck on guard duty means less shinobi available to actually do missions, which is a loss of income for the village. Suna needs that many ninja there so that in case an army comes to invade, there will be a force already in place to deal with it. But the downside is that if only a small team tries to invade, having hundreds of ninjas there to guard is a waste of manpower.

    In Konoha's system, the size of the threat is immediately assessed and a proportionate counterattack is launched. Much more economic, and hence, superior.
     
  15. Sunagakure Temari

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    Relax, and read. ^
     
  16. Manetheren

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    All it is is a detection barrier, it doesnt actually prevent things from entering. Its just a big trip alarm.

    -Madara getting in... its friggin Madara, not to mention he was working with Itachi at the time. Explained.

    -Oro during Chuunin Exams got in as the Sound team's Jounin. Though he likely easily knew how to bypass the barrier if needed (which would explain how Kabuto and/or the Sound 4 could get in later during the Exam and to get Sasuke respectively)

    -Sound/Sand invasion. 1000s of ninja and summons swarm the gates at once, the alarm likely WORKED here, just didnt do alot of good.

    -The barrier seems more designed to protect against small stealthy groups (hint: NINJAS) that would be more easily overlooked otherwise, as opposed to armies storming the gates.
     
  17. son_michael

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    suna was waiting for an attack thats why they had all those shinobi at the wall



    come on man konoha ninja's alone should be more than enough to stop a random intruder and if it so happens that there killed then they immediatley get detected by the barrier


    konoha's security is mostly perfect except Pain is in a whole nother tier
     
  18. Grrblt

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    Are you sure you wanted to say that? After reading 419?
     
  19. Hellion

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    To be fair only one person infiltrated Konoha and then she summoned the rest of Pain. So the couter measure was correct for one person
     
  20. Kokain

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    Any system can be exploited of course. I didn't mean to imply that Konoha's defense is perfect.

    The best defense in terms of repelling intruders would be to have multiple massive combat divisions spread throughout Konoha at all times, ready to jump into action and repel any group of invaders, large or small.

    But that would be highly inefficient and probably negatively cost effective.

    So they adopt this early warning system instead, which has its own drawbacks.
     
  21. Grrblt

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    I'd say that is pretty close to what Suna had. They just had the bad luck of getting backstabbed.
     
  22. Syntaxis

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    When Orochimaru invaded, there was a lot of folk from outside Konoha running around. Surely they must've disabled it at some point to let all the ninja's from different villages inside. I mean, they're ninja's. Some come flying, some jump on the walls, some climb the walls with chakra on their feet, etc. No need for needless panic.

    The Sand and Sound ninja's invading, who says they did not notice? Maybe they did, and figured: "Fuck, hundreds of enemy combatants, it must be a bug in the software." (Or, simply gave up sensing the barrier and started to fight like the rest of the village.)

    As for Madara, he was helping Itachi, let's see here:

    Madara: "Yo dude, barrier's in my way."
    Itachi: "Oh, it's a simple 3-4-11 combination."
    Madara: "Ok."

    And the Sound Four? Weren't they disguised as the ANBU that protected the fake Kazekage?
     
  23. Wrath

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    Barrier Sentry: We're being invaded!
    Everyone else: No shit! What gave it away, the giant snakes or the attack on the fucking Hokage?!?
     
  24. kajteq

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    Question about barrier-nins

    Why weren't they called when Orochimaru trapped Sandaime in his sound-four-barrier?

    Edit: Oh crap, I slipped up(just like sasuke) on my thread name, could any moderator change it to "question about~"?
     
  25. Wrath

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    Konoha might not have anyone who specialises in getting through barriers. Erecting one and defeating one seem to be completely different skills.

    Besides, for all we know they did try, and they just failed and it wasn't shown. Or maybe the people with the right skills tried to go do it, but got caught fighting the giant snakes or the invaders.

    Given that Orochimaru orchestrated the invasion and gave information to the ninjas about the terrain and enemies they were going to fight, and was well aware of Konoha's defences, it makes sense that he would have known where the barrier users were and sent people to keep them busy, since he knew he was going to confront the Third inside a barrier.
     
  26. kajteq

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    But they didn't try to ask a barrier nin for help;
     
  27. Wrath

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    How do you know? We spent a lot more time with the Third and Orochimaru than we did with the people outside.
     
  28. hiko

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    TBH, the barrier actually benefitted Konoha, it allowed Sandaime to take on Oro with no distractions and only minimal damage to the village (well, the building they were on). I don't recall seeing Sandaime actually tell the Anbu observers not to interfere, though.
     
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    Will do.

    I'm pretty sure that Sandaime wished to deal with his former student on his own then with assistance. It was something that needed to be dealt with between teacher and student.
     
  30. PoinT_BlanK

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    So..Konoha's Security..Jay..Yeah..

    Konoha's security system is pretty lame..i mean..Itachi left for so many years and the alarm system was still the same..it should've been updated at least..im sure a reasonable hogake would consider the possiblity of missin-nins leakin info on how to break in the village without triggerin the alarm..lol konoha..

    also

    Kirabee didn't get captured..does that mean that dude Jay was gang raped for nothin?..

    parlae.
     
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