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Pain Arc Sage Mode Naruto vs 4th Raikage and Killer B

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Omote, Dec 7, 2018.

  1. Omote

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    Location: Same place they fought Minato
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    V2 A can straight up blitz him

    SM Naruto is no faster or reactive than MS Sasuke, and he also doesn't have a technique anywhere near as fast as Susanoo to block or counter with. Hes also not tanking hits from a guy who can break Susanoo ribs.
     
  3. Shazam

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    Why not? Sage Mode significantly boosts reflexes and adds danger sensing, right? Precognition is more about forseeing the pattern to anticipate but doesn't necessarily enables the body itself to respond to such threats (Sasuke v Lee). Whereas SM grants the body the ability to respond (superior reflexes granted) and gives Sage Sensing to similarly anticipate the oncoming threat.

    As far as this goes, I'd say SM Naruto > MS Sasuke (in the ability to react and defend/attack A4) - Not implying anything outside of that
     
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  4. Skaddix

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    No Naruto wasn't better then either of them until he unlocked KCM.
     
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    1. A complete and utter lack of feats or any objective reasoning to suggest he is
    2. The fact fucking 3T sasuke has a comparable reaction feat to WA SM NARUTO let alone pain arc
    3. Them being portrayed equals in general
    Etc

    I can keep going
    So does MS :catshrug

    And based on feats, to a MUCH higher degree than Pain arc SM does

    As i said, 3T sasuke has a reaction feat thats comprable to WA SMs capabilities. Let alone MS.

    3T Sasuke reacted to A4s Elbow Bolt in the exact same manner WA SM Naruto reacted to A3s Nukite...But the thing is...A4 is FASTER than his father.
    Literally never been a drawback since.

    Sasuke was everafter either fast enough to react to the information, or could compensate.

    Youre reaching here.
    Don't really care what "youd say" cuz Its based on literally 0 actually information and is entirely your opinion.
    Hilarious considering 3T Sasuke has comparable reaction feats to SM Naruto and even after upping the ante to MS still couldn't perceive A4s top speed and needed a thought based defense thats EXPINENTIALLY FASTER than physical movements to compensate.

    You are literally fucking arguing, baselessly at that, that SM Narutos physical reactions exceed MS sasukes mental ones BY A MILE.

    Even with 3T sasukes feats slapping you in the face.
     
  6. Shazam

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    A lot of typing to explain something so simple. On the other hand, this also might be a case of where portrayal > feats. As SM has continuously been shown to outdo MS, when the levels aren't massively different. Hashirama > Madara; SM Kabuto > MS Itachi; SM Minato > MS Obito (still works) etc. These aren't opinionated, these are what the manga showed us. And if MS grants superior reflexes than SM, then what benefits of SM is there that even makes them equal, let alone with SM being the slight superior? None.

    SM is particularly noted to boost reflexes, speed and strength by a notable margin. Improved precognition to a slight degree doesn't compare
     
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  7. WorldsStrongest

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    Feats never take a backseat to portrayal

    A better feat is a better damn feat

    Unless youre arguing its an outlier, which it isnt, as Sasuke CONSISTENTLY reacted to A4.
    1. No it hasnt
    2. You being about to draw a false equivalence between general standing and a specific stat is laughable


    Not due to SM so your entire point just got slapped already and we are only on the first fucking example :lmao

    BASE HASHI > EMS Madara

    How the fuck is this a point in SMs favor as the better buff :rotfl

    Oh thats tight it isnt :slurp

    Kabuto who was literally several people in one and who had genetically engineered himself to beat MS...And who created a scenario where the MS user WASNT ALLOWED TO KILL HIM...And STILL LOST to the eyes you claim he's superior to.

    Another "great" example shazam.

    Im truly floored...With laughter :catsmug
    :facepalm

    Again...

    BASE MINATO> Obito

    Not a point in SM being a better buff :facepalm

    You are TERRIBLE at this
    No they are just wrong and horridly misrepresented :catshrug
    The fact SM doesnt blind you, is easier to acquire, boosts all parameters not just one, has better stamina in the long run, heals your body as opposed to damages it etc

    But sure, deny MS having equal if not better reactions despite having the feats to suggest so...While claiming you arent opinionated

    Really enjoy how you addressed literally 0 of the points I raised and went on a bullshit tangent btw
     
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    I disagree.

    SM gives better reflexes when the levels are near
     
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    I dont give a fuck if you agree with me

    The MANGA disagrees with you

    This is also a chickenshit reply to my post...Again.
     
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    Nah, I still disagree

    SM Naruto > MS Sasuke (in reflexes)
     
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    I dont give a fuck you opinionated child

    Feats debunk you

    Id be more inclined to give a fuck if you actually knew how to debate and not just "nuh uh" me all day :ohlord

    Pathetic shit
     
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    Even now....if you can believe it...

    I still have Naruto superior to Sasuke in terms of reflexes when it comes to Sage Mode vs MS
     
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    "Nuh uh"

    Youre a joke poster btw
     
  14. Shazam

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    Lmao Opinions are just that - The only facts here today is that SM grants superior reflexes

    :druul
     
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    Says The arguing exclusively with them
    Not based on feats it doesnt

    Now by all means

    Carry on making a damn fool of yourself
     
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    Based on the manga SM > MS
     
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    > "Huh?! IM not obsessed!"
    > Takes me off ignore just to neg me with his kid gloves

    Sure
     
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    SM Naruto gets blitz by V2 A4, no need for Bee
     
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    Huh? You believe that Base Hashi is stronger than EMS Madara?

    Even though Madara could match Base Hashi's Mokujin with just V4 Susanoo? And with the War arc showing how his PS can match a SM powered Mokujin and Mokuryu combo?

    Furthermore, Kurama DID count as Madara's power no less than frog summons do for Jiraiya. Madara had a contract with Kurama and could summon him wherever he wanted while having full control over the bijuu. I do not see how relying on bijuu chakra to empower jutsus is any less "fair" than empowering jutsus with SM.

    If that wasn't enough SM Hashi even after putting Kurama temporarily asleep only managed to beat EMS Madara sans Kurama with great difficulty.

    So where does it come from the Base Hashi> EMS Madara?


    Its true that Kabuto had the unfair advantage by having full intel on his opponents on top of them not being allowed to fight seriously to not kill him. Itachi even made Sasuke not attack him at all.

    But Kabuto having the power and skill to empower himself with the power of all those people whose DNA he integrated doesn't strike me as unfair. Plenty of people in this manga used similar means to get stronger. Danzou did with Hashi DNA. Oro with crazy experiments. Kakuzu with the hearts of the people he stole(including the jutsu that allowed him to do that), etc. Its not like one needs permission for it to count as a display of power shows whether such methods were successful or not.

    Kabuto SM based jutsus were impressive enough too.
     
  20. Munboy Dracule O'Brian

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    Except when it comes to Minato as per Shazam.
     
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    Arent u the guy who think Minato loses to Naruto here?

    Funny we haven't seen your opinion on this match up yet.....
     
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    Devolved into Personal Insults real fast
     
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    Normally I'd make a reference, but you've consistently shown you're incapable of understanding those. Check the exact same thread you made for my argument.
     
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    Naruto. Based on these stipulations, A will go V1 and engage Naruto in CQC alongside V1 Killer B most likely, and one of them will get overwhelmed and taken out by Naruto's physical strength or Frog Kata as they attempt to Double Lariat him. Afterwards, Naruto can beat either one individually in a few different ways, so I say SM Naruto, mid to high difficulty depending on how the fight plays out.
     
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    Concession accepted. No need to write a paragraph just to say so.
     
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    Man gets a citation, his brain processes it as a concession.
    :drake
     
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    Then lay down your response to the thread at hand or bounce...what other business do u have?
     
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    Did I just read that you think Naruto will defeat them physically? :psyduck
     
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    I'm talking about SM Naruto, you know, the man who can supplex Kurama with physical might alone by one tail.
     
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