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Part 1 Kakashi vs Gamabunta!!

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Hi no Ishi, Oct 13, 2018.

  1. Hi no Ishi

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    Zabuza fight Kakashi

    Vs

    Gaara fight Gamabunta


    Location Forest Of Death
    30 Meters distance
    Manga knowledge
    Killing intent but in character.

    Fight!
     
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  2. King1

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    Bunta wins this match. Nothing kakashi can do will harm bunta. Bunta went toe to toe with a biju something kakashi cannot do.
     
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    :hm

    If we assume that Bunta is stronger than Part I Kakashi, the real question is: Has Kakashi improved his base abilities (no Kamui) up until the war arc enough to surpass Gamabunta? Or does WA Kakashi need Kamui to beat him? :hmm
     
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    Kakashi Genjutsus gamabunta to kill himself with his sword.
     
  5. Santoryu

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    /thread
     
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  6. Crimson Flam3s

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    How is this impressive when Obito required 5 Bijuus to defeat Kakashi and Gai?

    They were actually trying too, unlike the 1 tail which didn't even bother bringing out a Bijuudama.
     
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    Are you saying kakashi can defeat a tail beast on his own? Are you saying Rinnegan obito needed bijuus to beat Gai and kakashi when he has rinnegan techs?

    Bunta went toe to toe with a biju and survived while kakashi cannot do that. Tell me what kakashi can do to bunta which would make him win
     
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    Bunta overwhelms Kakashi with his large AoE Suitons or he'll eventually cut down or stomp on Kakashi. Kakashi doesn't have the stamina to outlast and since Bunta took an attack(or two) from Shukaku, I doubt Kakashi has want it takes to put him down for good so it's just a matter of time.
     
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    Raiden should be sufficient to beat Gamabunta, but Kakashi's just not built to tackle anything so huge otherwise.
     
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    /thread
     
  11. NightingaleOfShadows

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    no, this is no Koto where someone can literally control someone else's actions, and I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he hasn't shown any genjutsu on that lvl, the only time I can remember him doing something like this is when he was fighting Zabuza, but he wasn't controlling his actions, he was making him think he was predicting the future, but in reality he was just making it seem that way and in turn it effected the way Zabuza fought... hes no Sasuke, Orochimaru, Madara in terms of Genjutsu, if he did have this lvl of Genjutsu why didint we seem him just use it on the opponents he fought without relying on other jutsu/tech
     
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  12. Crimson Flam3s

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    Kakashi was controlling Zabuza.

    At one point he created the same jutsu Zabuza was planning to before he could even finish. He can't see the future, therefore he had to control him in order to know what came next and outspeed him and he did it by controlling his actions by hypnotic illusions as Zabuza states.

    It's all in this chapter
    notices.panda.com/naruto/26/13

    Copy that link without the dot and you will see for yourself Zabuza's explanation.

    Kakashi has always been great at Genjutsu, but it isn't his main style.

    He won vs Zabuza the first time due to genjutsu, Itachi implied he needed MS to take him on a genjutsu and later on he also battles Obito in a genjutsu.
     
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    Indeed.

    And this was a rusty Kakashi too.
     
  14. ~Kakashi~

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    Part 1 Kakashi's only means of defeating Bunta are sharingan genjutsu. Part 2 that is alleviated as he gains access to raiden which can just cut Bunta in to pieces and raiton enhanced kunai which can be thrown through vital points. Raikiri in part 1 probably isn't doing too much damage to Bunta unless Kakashi somehow generated enough power to go through a good portion/his entire body, which he doesn't have the feats for.

    Gai noted that Kakashi had already developed counters to the rinnegan techniques and that's why Obito didn't use them. Which backs up the Kakashi's character's history, if he has knowledge of a technique, he'll have a practically perfect counter for it. Obito is aware of that.

    And can Kakashi defeat a tailed beast? Only with kamui. Otherwise no.
     
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    What are they then? His best attack kamui is negated by obito. Any thing he tries would either be absorbed or repelled.
     
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    I dunno, call Kishi and ask him. But Kakashi has developed counters for numerous things in the manga, it's a huge part of his character. He even developed two different plans that could have killed the Deva Path(and neither of the counters for that path involved kamui).

    It's just an explanation was given in the manga as to why Obito didn't really bother with rinnegan techniques when fighting Kakashi/Gai/Naruto/Bee, and that was Kakashi had counters developed for them.
     
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    Zabuza's explanation doesn't say that though.

    At no point did he suggest that he was being controlled. Kakashi copied the hand signs, realized what Zabuza was going to do, and used an illusion to throw Zabuza off by making Zabuza believe his mind was being read, allowing Kakashi to cast the technique first. The illusion made Zabuza lose his cool, hurting his ability to concentrate and form the hand seals as fast as or faster than Kakashi.

    If Kakashi could have controlled Zabuza, he should have just made Zabuza stop forming hand seals and stand there defenseless while Kakashi completed the technique.
     
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    Counters to the rinnegan technqiues don't have to and are not attacks in this case.
     
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    Actually Raikri can peneatrate and hurt Gamabunta considering it was as stated in are written by Kishimoto this is further elaborated on by having Chidori an inferior Raikiri being stated to be capable of cutting through the most which would include diamond which is stonger than Gama's skin.

    Also Kakashi went toe to toe with bjuii in Canon. So wtf are you talking about? Spewing trash arguments once again like you do in every thread
     
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    Sorry but you are not worth replying to
     
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    Except you just did reply to me....but it'd be wise for someone of such low iq like you to not want to embarass yourself even further then you already have
     
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    Love how people like to or try to discredit Kakashi's sharingan genjutsu as if he doesn't have it.

    1. Kid Anbu uses it
    2. Againast Zabuza he used it
    3. Against more Anbu in P2 (literally 1 shot dropping him with a glance)
    4. And pushed off Obito's genjutsu attempts
     
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    Genjutsu GG
     
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    How is Kakashi harming Bunta? How is Bunta tagging Kakashi???
    Same as Manda v Gai.. Tom and Jerry situation.
     
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    Obito didn´t require 5 Bijuu you gotta be out of your mind to believe that. We have barely seen people fight on par with 1.
     
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    Kakashi just isn’t built to battle an opponent like Bunta
     
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