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Pein vs MS Obito

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Orochimaruwantsyourbody, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Location: Gokage vs Madara
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    State of mind: IC
    Distance: 25 meters


    Nagato is Hidden a good distance away and Obito has no knowledge if his existence.
     
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  2. Gin Ichimaru's Shadow 203176

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    Does Obito have Izanagi?
     
  3. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Yes
     
  4. Bonly Keyblade Master

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    Obito sends them all to boxland over the course of the battle
     
  5. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    Obito hasn't shown the intellect to percieve Nagato's Trickster-Mentality Corpse Secret. Though, I'd argue he's shown enough of a much capable extraordinary, above-par sensor, so, I'd argue the Match tip's slight, in his favor. A simple answer to the Match'd be, find Nagato, evading the Puppets, and snap his throat, hence the Puppets Problem'd be quietly, peacefully resolved, as is his, singular one-trick pony-trick.

    Low-Diff, I'd argue, likely.
     
  6. ARGUS The conqueror

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    Pein wins this
     
  7. Emperor Palpatine Well-Known Member

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    Obito. His right MS is the most hax one in the manga. Really, MS has no right to Kamui. Should be an EMS jutsu at the very least. That's how hax it is. Throw Itachi on Pain's side and it still doesn't make a difference. If you can counter the kamui you have a good chance against Obito but very few can. It's arguably the best defensive jutsu in the manga outside the god tiers (Gudoudama etc).

    Minato was able to beat it because he had the perfect counter (instant jutsu to exploit the instant Obito went solid), Konan beat it with weeks of prep for 10 minutes of literal non stop explosions. Besides that, Obito's right Kamui wasn't beaten until it met the left one.

    The only ones below the Madara/Hashirama tier that can beat MS Obito under neutral conditions are Tobirama and Minato due to FTG. And I'm not sure I'd exactly favor Tobirama either.

    Pain's best chance is to try to spam Shurado missiles and lasers for 10 minutes.
     
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  8. Shazam Well-Known Member

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    I honestly don't know .
    Can Nagato transmit his Chakra to his Paths in Kamui's realm ?
    Can Nagato's Paths still function in the other space-time ?
    We've seen Ningendo can still function inside Jiraiya's Toad barrier , but that's a bit different than Kamui's space-time .
    If the Paths can still work in Kamui , Pain wins hands down .
    If not , then Obito picks them up , one by one .
     
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  9. Ruthless Tsuchikage Active Member

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    Pain probably wins this one. I feel Tobi lacks the raw power to overcome Pain. He may have Kamui and it may be broken but most of his attacks that deal out heavy damage are stolen from others after Pain's death.
     
  10. Zero890 Well-Known Member

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    Obito wins, the portrayal also puts him above Pain.
     
  11. JiraiyaFlash Satô no Kyoki

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    Obito probably win this.. Has Superior speed and physicals .. Has enough experience.. Also has knowledge about Rinnegan and Nagato.. So yeah.. Obito probably mid-high (close to mid) diffs
     
  12. Ghost Of The Uchiha Well-Known Member

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    Pain high diff, Obito has no counters to CT or CST bar Izanagi and once he uses that he has to sacrifice his kamui eye and he doesn't last very long without intangibility.
    Portrayal also goes to Pain since he was stated to be the strongest member of the Akatsuki.
     
  13. Cosmos The Great Cosmos

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    Depends on if Pain's paths can still function in Kamui realm.

    Even then, wouldn't Animal path just summon them back ?
     
  14. Shark Taking a break

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    Kamui will counter both fine, I think.
     
  15. Limbo Oh it hurts i can't forget

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    This is gonna be pretty similar to the battle Obito had against Naruto's team in the manga, meaning he'll apply pressure non stop but get interrupted any time he tries to touch and warp any of them, thanks to the synergy of the enemy team.

    With the paths being always near to each other, they can attack Obito from different sides anytime he tries to attack, and there's nothing Obito can do to separate them. Any Katon or physical attack gets stopped by either Preta or Deva. Problem is they don't have nothing to counter Kamui.

    It looks a draw honestly, i don't see Pain sliping and i don't see Obito sliping. Unsure.
     
  16. JiraiyaFlash Satô no Kyoki

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    Obito knows NAgato and Rinnega's ability he can make sure each path he send in to the kamui dimension is that..

    Plus his physicall attiributes and fundamentals skills are enough to take'em down.. He can use Kamui as only defensively and he still would be fine imo my friend.
     
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    Pain wins this- high diff
    Share vision counters kamui warp surprise
    Animal path counters kamui suprise with invisible suprise attacks
    Deva counters kamui with shinra tensei (unless if you think he can predict shinra tensei.)

    All comes down to who will make the first mistake .
    Ms obito makes 1 error and he is out
    Pain can afford to make multiple errors

    Pain wins High-diff
     
  18. savior2005 Well-Known Member

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    Depends on who lands the first Kamui/ST.

    Actually, even when Obito touches Deva Pain to kamui him, Pain can ST while being kamui'd, and even in the kamui realm itself. In the kamui realm, what's Obito supposed to do to Deva? Deva can easily win at the cost of being stuck in kamui realm forever (altho he may be summoned back by Nagato/animal path). The other path's may be there to help him.
    If you think about it, ST is a great counter to Kamui.

    Pain wins imo.
     
  19. JiraiyaFlash Satô no Kyoki

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    Why people restricting Obito with Kamui ? He is faster than PA SM Naruto.. He is close to him on strength too. Also had full intel on rinnegan and Nagato's presence.. ANd has all other haxes... One MS Tobi just trolled 8 man squad which has Kakashi and Yamato in it. On the other hand Deva Path was about to die against weaker team (Kakashi+Akimichi Duo) with intel and surprise factor.

    And same Obito has enough reaction speed to keep up with Gai and KCM2 Naruto in the same time..

    So he can use Kamui for dodge things.. And He can finish paths just like Naruto on physical terms.. And why ST turns out to be a counter to Kamui ? ıts a shock wave projectile all around 360.. But thats it.. It still a passing by projectile for Obito.. Plus even w/o Kamui Obito was fast enough to mock with V2 Raikage and and keep up with KCM2 Naruto and Gai as a comtatant and Kakashi as sniper support..

    So even w/o Kamui Obito is still superiot to pain arc sm naruto in terms of physical attiributes except strength..

    Obito knows Nagato and he knows that rinnegan and he knows the secret of Pain.. Under similar circumstances Pain said he would lost to Jiraiya and Tobi >> Jiraiya..

    So w/ or w/o Kamui... Obito has enough counter measures, physicall attiributes to ragdolling all the paths.. Only problem would be Deva...
    Are you talking about KCM2 Naruto, Gai, MS kakashi and Bee ???

    Even KCM2 Naruto >>> Pain adding all of this dudes.. Pain cant even hope to perform a similar pressure on Obito..
    Dont be unsure my friend.. ;)
     
  20. Limbo Oh it hurts i can't forget

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    Long time no see Jiraiyaflash, how you're doing my friend?

    As for the topic, you could add 20 more dudes to Naruto's team, and they wouldn't have been able to lay a hand on him, it's just the nature of his power, he's untouchable.

    But we saw how 2 dudes with coordination and numbers below that of Pain could delay their end for a while, you just need someone to attack him while he's trying to touch. That's the secret to holding out, coordination and numbers.
     
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