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Phenoix Man Vs Flashy Flash

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  1. Amol

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    Location : Phenoix Man Vs Child Emperor.
    Scenario 1 : Flashy Flash has a hostage to defend.
    Scenario 2 : No Hostage.
     
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    Probably Flash

    He was able to do a little against Monster Garo even without his Katana

    And he also flat out oneshotted 2 dragon level monsters
     
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    Flashy is way too weak, Phoenix Man tanked CE’s Emperor Millenium Nova and was okay, and the dude could also grab Brave Knight’s energy blade without suffering any damage

    Flashy is probably faster but Phoenix Man is far more powerful, at least in his final form.
     
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    Flash oneshotted 2 Dragon level monsters at once

    Hes far from weak

    Ironically, Flash doesnt have the flashiest moves like giant explosions or whatever that the likes of Genos or CE use, but his potency is no less extreme
     
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    Those Dragons were weak tho, easy to one shot. They had speed and nothing else lol.

    Phoenix Man’s durability tremendously dwarfs theirs by a massive margin.
     
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    Thats baseless my guy

    No dragon level threats are “easy to oneshot”

    Flash flat out states any other S-Class hero would have had great difficulty against those 2
    Based on nothing :catshrug
     
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    Sure they’d have a lot of difficulty, because those two dragons are lightning fast lol. Not ever Dragon is as durable as Elder Centipede, those two Dragons died to a simple sword slash.

    Do you think those to Dragons can tank even 1/100th of what Phoenix Man did?

    If so, then yours is the opinion that is truly baseless. Lol

    Phoenix Man directly stated he was stronger than Orochi lol
     
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    In duo they were a cadre candidate


     
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    I know, that doesn’t make them anywhere near as durable as Phoenix Man tho. Lol
     
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    Yeah he probably is more durable, but you said they are weak, that's the part i quoted. If you knew, they why did you call them weak?
    Are you sure you're not a troll m8?
     
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    Emperor Nova is nowhere near as impressive as you make it out to be.
     
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    ‘Weak’ was a poor word choice granted, they are both Dragons and Exec candidates, but the point is that this is due to their speed, not their strength/durability.

    Flashy one shot them because they are probably the least durable Dragons we’ve ever seen. I don’t think you can really contest this lol.

    Phoenix Man is *far* stronger and has far more durability than them, though they are likely faster.

    It’s far more impressive than Flashy’s attack on the Ninjas, that’s for sure. It’s also one of the most insane attacks we’ve ever seen in OPM.
     
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    No. To this day Beefake's city wiper remains the most impressive feat outside of Boros. Strictly in terms of destructive capacity, Emperor Nova is nothing to write home about and since he tried it on nobody else and Phoenix Man took it pretty decently, there's no reason to assume it's the zomg super duper strong attack you think it is. It's only small city level.

    It has a lot of Flash just like Genos' entire arsenal, in actuality it really isn't that strong.
     
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    You realize EMNcompletely obliterated everything in its path right? That includes miles upon miles of MA hideout. And still blasted up into the sky with no signs of slowing.

    Saying it’s “small city level” is wrong because it’s a concentrated attack that’s never shown a maximum. It could obliterate the core of the planet for all we know, it’s just never been aimed at something like that.

    Either way, to compare it to Flashy’s attacks is hysterical. Flashy’s AP is lackluster among the S class.
     
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    Flashy Flash uses a damn sword. Do you seriously expect it to vaporize an entire city? Volume 1 Genos has more impressive destructive feats than Flash, you don't seriously think he's stronger?

    Also, lol at Flash's attacks being lackluster.
     
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    Too many leaps when I never implied have this stuff lol.

    First off, I never said flashy is weak because he isn’t city level lol. He’s top 5 strength-wise for S class because of his massive speed. His attack power itself, is pretty unexceptional. That does not make him weak. Lol

    Second, again destructive force =/= strength and I never said it did, of course Flashy would only need .5 seconds to murder Genos, on one of his bad days.

    The point is that Flashy does not have the attack power to put down Phoenix Man, when even EMN which epically dwarfed Flashy in terms of raw power, was unable to do the job. Now ofc Flashy might be able to blitz Phoenix Man without mercy but even this is still debatable as pre-final form Phoenix Man was far faster than bullets.

    Third, Flashy’s attack power is lackluster, at least in terms of Dragons/S class heroes. I can think of many characters with much better AP than him, including:

    Boros
    Orochi
    Goketsu
    Garou
    Atomic Samurai
    Darkshine
    Tatsumaki
    Elder Centipede
    Karnage Kabuto
    Genos
    Rover
    Vaccine Man
    Beefcake

    Just off the top of my head lol.

    That doesn’t meanFlashy would lose to these characters, just that he doesn’t hit very hard at all.
     
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    Garou admitted that had he faced Flash when he was still his old self, it would have ended ugly for him. Prior to his awakening Garou was strong and fast enough to punch Golden Sperm so hard he made him go serious. Yet Flash would have ended him...You know Golden Sperm who's considered the pinnacle of Dragon-level monsters sans Garou/Boros. Who's way above Multi-Sperm...who in turn said he was incomparably stronger than Black Sperm who had enough power to seriously injured Atomic Samurai with a single punch.

    He also one-shotted two executive-level monsters who are now supposedly weak because...I don't fucking know? You decided it? There really isn't any basis to say these guys have just speed and no power or durability.

    >Faster than bullets
    >So fucking what?
     
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    I don’t even know what you’re trying to imply lol.

    So pre-woke Garou’s punch made Golden Sperm get serious,

    Meanwhile Flashy would end pre-woke Garou,

    Therefore...what? What are you even trying to imply? That Flashy would end Golden Sperm? Because you know full well that that’s BS lol. And if you aren’t trying to imply this exact thing, then even bringing up these points in the first place is bullshit lol.

    Golden Sperm would stomp pre-woke Garou. Argument done. Lol

    Yeah I’m gonna stop you right there, let’s take a look at some statements Murata has made about the Dragon+ dudes:

    On Golden Sperm:

    “If Tatsumaki wasn’t injured, she could defeat Golden Sperm”

    On Orochi (paraphrasing)

    “I’m not sure who’s stronger between Orochi and Golden Sperm But Orochi has better techniques.”

    So simple scaling tells us that Orochi is somewhere near Golden Sperm strengthwise, and that’s being generous to GS because it appears Orochi is just straight up more powerful from portrayal.

    Now, a quote from Phoenix Man:

    It seems as of this moment, I've become the strongest of them all! I, the great Phoenix Man, now stand at the pinnacle of all organisms!"

    Now obviously you can dismiss any of these quotes for one reason or another but the point I’m trying to make is that it should be pretty uncontroversisl to say the top of Dragon Level is:

    Golden Sperm ~ Orochi ~ Phoenix Man (Boros is stronger than all of them quite frankly)

    And Golden Sperm at the very least is > Flashy lol. Therefore the others likely are too.

    You do fucking know actually. You just said it:

    :oldshrug

    Again...no power and durability isn’t what I said. He just has low power and durability in comparison to most others in his strength tier. Which again, you yourself agreed to.
     
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    Golden Sperm was bloodied and damaged by the punch of pre-awakaned Garou and considered going serious against him. How is that not clear? He's arrogant and a show-off who just casually waltzed through Tatsumaki so the fact he considered pre-awakened Garou a threat should be more than enough info.

    He would need full power to beat him and Garou had enough firepower to bloody his face up with a single punch. So unless you think Garou's firepower is hilariously above his durability, Flash would have at least comparable power to pre-awakened Garou, power that's enough to fucking hurt Golden Sperm but he's lacking? Yeah not buying that.

    We already know that.

    Phoenix Man is a braggart. Quotes of boastful characters pimping themselves aren't evidence.

    I will absolutely dismiss what Phoenix Man is saying because it's utter bullshit. He talks about himself.

    Phoenix Man doesn't belong.

    Is he now?

    We're discussing within the same series. Destruction feats aren't even an admissible or even consistent indicator of power. You use them to compare different series. Within the same universe you use powerscaling. With DC alone, the ninjas have less attack power than volume 1 Genos and I don't think you seriously believe that.
     
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    This is a pointless debate. Phoenix Man have not fought anyone besides CE, so you simply don't have a point of reference, Emperor Nova also has not been used against anyone else besides Phoenix Man, while it did have an impressive wide range destructive power, perhaps a more concentrated attack would do better against a single opponent, after all wide range comes with a cost.
    It is also a variable whether Flash would realize that his power comes from his costume, and try to destroy the costume.

    You can really only judge by overall level, according to which yes Flash would have won, being stated to be one of the strongest S class heroes, and being very much showcased as such as well. He should be able to beat anyone CE beats, but i admit it's a quite vast generalization, and matchup is the big part of the fight, especially considering CE won using his brains, not power.
     
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    Exactly this.

    Downplaying the ninjas however is just ridiculous.
     
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    I’m not downplaying anything about them accept their durability lol, you can make the argument that the ninjas would solo any other S class hero below Tatsu and I probably wouldn’t complain.

    My original point was about the fact that Flashy has nowhere near the AP required to put down Phoenix Man.

    Like @Mr Hayk sad, CE beat Phoenix Man using brains, not power. EMN is easily a top 10 attack in OPM and was still unsuccessful in finishing Phoenix Man. So, it’s pretty much impossible for Flashy to actually win this, unless you make the argument that Flashy has the brains to do so, which is a different argument.
     
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    Literally addressed this in the previous post. Flash has attack potency comparable or even perhaps higher than pre-awakened Garou which is enough to bloody Golden Sperm. How many of those punches could Golden Sperm take before going down? Now imagine him taking hundreds of those at a faster rate. You seriously think Flash couldn't put down Phoenix Man? Never mind that Gale Wind and Hellflire Flame were strong enough to damage Brave Giant and Flash is far stronger than either of them.

    With your logic Flash is fucking weaker than beginning of series Genos sans his speed and I don't think you seriously believe that.

    Flash's sword doesn't bust mountains therefore he must be weak. Yeah, sound logic there.
     
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    I don’t think you’ve read anything I’ve said. Lol


    Where did this come from? You said Flashy could eliminate Garou, not that they had comparable AP. Those are two different things Mate. Lol

    Plus, AP required to injure GS <<<< EMN
     
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    The crux of your argument is based on DC which is retarded when arguing characters from within the same universe.

    The entire point was to put Flash's attack potency in perspective.

    Pre-awakening Garou is powerful enough to strike Golden Sperm and hurt him.
    Flash is strong enough to kill pre-awakening Garou.
    So unless you think pre-awakening Garou's attack power is far, far beyond his own durability, there's no way Flash could kill him without possessing significant power himself.

    Then consider the fact that Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame were able to damage Brave Giant and Flash is much stronger than them.

    Flash having no attack power stands on absolutely nothing besides DC which as stated above is useless within a verse.
     
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    By this logic, Flashy has the attack power of Tatsumaki since he could potentially kill her.

    How do you even measure durability based attack power? Lol

    Garou is not automatically as durable as his attack power dictates...

    I remember them damaging it, yes. I also remember Phoenix Man tearing one of its arms off with ease. An example of the strength gap? Most likely. Lol

    I don’t know who told you this or where you got this idea from, but it’s just completely wrong.
     
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    Flashy Flash should get the win more times than not
     
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    Because there isn't a large disparity between the stats of someone like Garou. He's not a specialist like Flash or Darkshine who have one stat that is much higher than the others. Unless stated or shown otherwise, their stats should be within the same ballpark and Garou has shown that he always has the speed and durability to match his attack power. If anything, Garou's resilience and ability to take punishment without going down is far more impressive than the rest of his attributes.

    Point is Flash is much stronger than them and they were able to crack the armor while being underwater. So Flash having no attack power when these two can damage Child Emperor's best robot is further put into question.

    No it fucking isn't. DC is almost always inconsistent in any given series. One-Punch man characters have casual attacks that are town level+ yet you never see them level entire towns with the shockwaves of their clashes. DB characters like Gotenks spammed Ki attacks that only marginally damaged the Earth when it was confirmed Saiyan Saga Vegeta could straight up blow it up. Doesn't mean Gotenks' attacks weren't stronger. The purpose of DC is to know where they stand in comparison to other verses. Within the same verse powerscaling always takes precedence. Garou is considered continent level+ in terms of firepower because he is on par with Boros. His DC feats are sorely lacking otherwise. Hell, Genos' feat in volume 1 is still top 5 within the verse and we know Genos' power is nowhere near top 5. Everybody who is said or shown to be stronger just gets scaling off this feat and that includes Flash.

    It's a very simple and easy game of connecting the dots really.
     
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    Saying we have no comparison between Phoenix Man and other characters is wrong.

    The monster Ninjas were knocked out from Brave Giant's electricity attack, barely damaged BG and used their replacement technique to dodge Brave Giant's sword, while Phoenix Man did comparable damage to BG in his first resurrection and could grab Brave Giant's sword barehanded.
     
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