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Pope compares having an abortion to 'hiring a hit man'

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  1. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Pope Francis on Wednesday compared having an abortion to “hiring a “hit man” to eliminate a problematic person, in comments sure to be welcomed by conservative Catholics who have accused the pontiff of not speaking out enough on “cultural war” issues.

    Abortion is a raging political battle in a number of countries, including the United States, where many conservatives hope the Supreme Court will eventually overturn the landmark 1973 ruling known as Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion.

    Francis made his off-the-cuff comments on abortion, some of his toughest to date, in an address to tens of thousands of people gathered in St. Peter’s Square for his weekly general audience.

    The pope denounced what he called the contradiction of allowing “the suppression of human life in the mother’s womb in the name of safeguarding other rights”.

    “But how can an act that suppresses an innocent and helpless life that is germinating be therapeutic, civilized or even simply human?” he said.

    “I ask you: ‘Is it right to ‘take out’ a human life to solve a problem? What do you think? Is it right? Is it right or not?” he said in unprepared remarks.

    Many in the crowd shouted “No”.

    “Is it right to hire a hit man to solve a problem? You cannot, it is not right to kill a human being, regardless of how small it is, to solve a problem. It is like hiring a hit man to solve a problem,” he said.

    The Roman Catholic Church teaches that life begins at the moment of conception and ends at the moment of natural death. It also forbids euthanasia but says that a family or a patient can decide to stop using extraordinary means to keep people alive.

    Shortly after becoming pope in March 2013, Francis appeared to downplay the importance of “cultural war” issues such as abortion, contraception and gay marriage, saying in an interview the Church had become “obsessed” with them.

    “It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time,” he said in that interview, adding that the Church’s stand on them was very clear and that it also had to address social issues such as poverty, injustice and immigration.

     
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  2. Normality venus

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    The Pope needs to be quiet unless he's going to take care of all of these unwanted kids.
     
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  3. Mider T Oh Christmas T!

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    *Sicilians shuffle nervously*
    The Pope's job is literally to speak lol
     
  4. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    I think church opposition to contraception and abortion is a big factor in why the Catholic-majority Philippines are adding over a million people per year.

    Philippines population

    2008 - 90 million
    2009 - 92 million
    2010 - 93 million
    2011 - 95 million
    2012 - 96 million

    2013 - 98 million
    2014 - 100 million (:WOW)
    2015 - 101 million
    2016 - 103 million
    2017 - 104 million

    At this rate they'll replace Mexico (124 million) as the largest former Spanish colony within twenty years. Though they'll have to keep up this amazing rate for another century before they replace Brazil (209 million) as the largest Catholic country.

    This isn't something that just happened very recently either. They had 26 million when statistics start in 1960, so it's been +1.3 million pretty consistently. You can see the wonderfully straight graph in this link:

    In case anyone is wondering, Duterte has 4 kids. Which means his family doubles in size in the next generation, since he and his wife will be replaced by two people each.
     
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  5. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    ...its like everytime he takes a step forward, Francis takes two steps back.
     
  6. Hozukimaru &#32

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    Oh, a hitman. At first I thought, what's wrong with hiring someone who is hit. Lol.
     
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    Abortion is murder. Everyone knows this. You people just try to suppress the truth with filthy excuses like "a fetus doesn't look like a human" or it's not alive with no functioning organs"

    Fools and hypocrites, you don't say that for plant seeds? Cause you frauds let them grow into their purposed forms. Same with babies you let the fetus DEVELOP and become the human you people are today.
     
  8. Takano-san Doroshī no yūjin

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    He should shut the fuck up and start fixing the problems in his church like priests raping women and children.
     
  9. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Yes we do?

    Plants are usually planted on purpose. Otherwise you call them weeds and try to get rid of them.

    Which I admit is a pretty icky metaphor, but you started it.
     
  10. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    And baby seeds are planted on purpose too..You have proven nothing.
     
  11. Mider T Oh Christmas T!

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    He already is?
    Not sure why people keep saying he should shut up? His job is to talk.
     
  12. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    No they aren't.
     
  13. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    They are. But it's not the point. They are suppose to let grow into their purposed form. Same thing with plant seeds and herbs etc...But you people try to cover your filthy conscience with forced illogical excuses to pretend you are decent people when in reality you are not.
     
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    What do you care about rape when you have murderers and scumbags in prison raping each other. Everyone knows this goes on but does this society do anything about it? Nope. They actually allow it. As if supporting murder via abortion justifies you in trying to condemn rapists. Take the plank out of your own eye and stop looking at the speck in the others. THEN you can judge rightly.
     
  15. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Where in the Bible does it say this?
     
  16. Yami Munesanzun I am now having ALL teh segzy.

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    So what's your opinion on rape babies. :cat
     
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    I do care about prison rape. It’s a widespread problem that makes prison inmates worse than they already were to begin with and makes rehabilitation far more difficult. Rape is psychologically damaging, and it’s the last thing a criminal needs.
     
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    Which one of these sentiments do you happen to echo?

    The problem with your claim that "baby seeds are planted on purpose" is that women who get raped didn't have the choice of wanting to conceive. Even considering that conception is a matter of chance, not divinely ordained by a sociopath-in-the-clouds (people's conception of God generally orients with their own moral compasses first and foremost, after all), these are women who get assaulted by men against their will, and your argument boils down to "women who conceive via rape should carry to term because God intended it", leaving no accountability for the culprits and forcing all the blame on the victims.

    Even considering all that, once the child is born into the world, are you even one of those people who'd care about their welfare after they are born? Would you want the child's family to have affordable, easy access to healthcare so they can be guaranteed a healthy life? Would you want the child to have affordable, easy access to education, so they could become a productive member of society?

    Or would you demand that the child be born and not care about what happens to them and their families afterwards?
     
  19. Kitsune `★.。・:*:・ Super Moderator

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    I’ve liked Pope Francis more than a lot of Popes but this is a reminder that he’s still head of the Catholic Church—a regressive organization that hurts a lot of people.
     
  20. Yami Munesanzun I am now having ALL teh segzy.

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    And what about the exceedingly miniscule chance that the birth control/condom doesn't work?

    That's an accidental baby. :cat
     
  21. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    They're gonna say that if you don't want kids you shouldn't be having (esp. pre-marital) sex in the first place. ABSTINENCE! :edu

    Which aside from being completely unrealistic to expect of people who can't afford to get married until their 30's (it was maybe less demanding in the Middle Ages when people got married at like 15), it also doesn't answer the rape question which people have already brought up.
     
  22. Takano-san Doroshī no yūjin

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    Here are some Bible verses that are actually pro-abortion. Cheat on your husband? Abortion is a must!

    Numbers 5:11-31 New International Version (NIV)

    The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

    11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.


    16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”


    “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”


    23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.


    29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”



    Now that times have changed, there should be a priest in the room as the doctor removes the cursed fetus from the womb of the adultress. :mako
     
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  23. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    Say what?

    You don't execute murderers or the scummiest of people when they take an innocent life. Why would you be a hypocrite and murder a baby regardless of how it got here?

    So is murder and it damages people spiritually too. You don't want to execute those scumbag rapists and murders but you think it's OK to murder a child whose done nothing wrong. Clean it up.

    Those guys are obviously wrong, however a baby from a rape doesn't deserve to be murdered. Just like you people don't want prisoners executed for murdering an innocent. Can't have it both ways...It's nothing more than emotional theatrics from society trying to delude themselves into thinking their good people. Give the baby a chance to see if it thrives in this world. It's not for us to say if it's good for a kid or not to come into this world.
     
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  24. Superstars Well-Known Member

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    Been there done that got the T-shirt and the hat...


    Spoiler:


    It's talking about the death of a woman for adultery NOT sanctioning abortion. Adultery was/is punishable by death. I see people still can't read properly and still Desperately trying to paint themselves as good people.
     
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  25. Yami Munesanzun I am now having ALL teh segzy.

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    Nah.

    Note, I'm using "baby" as a colloquial term.

    Brain activity doesn't begin till the third trimester.

    Prior to that, it's basically a fish.
     
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    This is a very scary thing to say.
    Not to cast aspersions, but I must assume you're joking, because they do get prison sentences at the very least, and in no world, be it dream or reality, is it okay to tell any woman who was forcefully, or in any way against her will impregnated, should have to bear that.
    Although the one aspersion I will say, you may not be a Predator fan, but you must LOVE the Alien movies.

    I think if there was a way to know BEYOND A DOUBT that someone is guilty of such a crime, they are put to death.
    I seem to recall a man from Ohio being put to death not long ago, it seems like the idea is coming back into public favor.

    Heres a quick google for over a DOZEN being put to death and the dates being set.
    fastest man alive at the time



    This is why, as living, thinking creatures of logic, religion is absolutely foolish.
    The biggest con in history is making people believe there is a man in the sky watching everything you do, giving these lessons that make no sense a few decades after they were written.

    pretty sure in Timothy, 2:12 or something, specifically states no woman shall teach a man, so by that logic, and 2:15 says women shouldnt speak or hold authority over man, as they did not commit the sin.

    It even says women shall be saved through bearing children.
    Huh... Guess according to the Bible, women don't have a voice when it comes to their own bodies, even if unmarried ;33

     
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    You think a few delayed executions with the possibility of appeals going through for willful degenerates somehow justifies the widespread pardon of many others deserving of death and that somehow makes it OK to kill babies [rape or not] who had no chance?

    :camby
     
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    I'm cautiously optimistic about the future of abortion in first world countries just because my inner nostradamus thinks all the porned up millennials could curb the number of accidental pregnancies as vaginal sex becomes played out amid all the anal sex, oral sex, costumes, fetishes, paraphilia stuff. Ironically our perversion might save us. Maybe it's easier for teenagers these days to abstain from vaginal sex with all the other alternatives out there. Maybe in a few generations vaginal sex will just be something couples do when they want kids, and their normal sex life is a bunch of bondage and face sitting. This is actually what I wrote my thesis about at the trump university online college I attended, so I did a lot of research googling into it and reading the opening paragraphs of blog articles.
     
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    Let me save you some time, it doesnt.

    Christians can’t even give you a straight answe on why they hate abortion. It can’t be because they are againsf killing the innocent because god does that all the time. Look at the plagues in egypt and the methods of warfare in the Old Testament.
     
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    A hit man? That's kinda exaggerated.
     
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