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Prime Nagato vs SM Jiraiya [READ OP]

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Munboy Dracule O'Brian, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Prime Nagato = mastery of the Rinnegan and all the Ninjutsu, Jiraiya expected him to be able to use.

    Knowledge: Jiraiya vs Pain; Jiraiya and the Sennin know about the Rinnegan's reputation and Nagato knows about SM's fame (like Itachi knew).

    The 3 Paths of Pain were beaten because they underestimated Jiraiya's illusion. They believed if it hit Nagato's real body, Jiraiya could have won the battle.

    ITT Nagato's real body faces off against SM Jiraiya, apart from the Six Paths, he'll use elemental jutsu, clones, the mainstream Ninjutsu he mastered alongside the jutsu you believe Jiraiya taught him.

    Will Jiraiya be able to land the Genjutsu again and win this time?
     
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    Crippled living Nagato loses, however the Nagato who retrieved his youth after absorbing V2 cloak low diffs him.
     
  3. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't Nagato underestimate Jiraiya just the same? His Ninjutsu (Rinnegan and otherwise) would overpower Jiraiya's while he can nullify Jiraiya's Ninjutsu. Shared vision with clones, Asura faces and summons alongside sensing negate any surprise attacks. If Jiraiya runs away and attempts the frog song, wouldn't Nagato underestimate it again? Or are you suggesting he'd approach it differently?
     
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    I think if it was actually Nagato fighting Jiraiya instead of his paths, he wouldve simply BT'd Jiraiya and pinned him down with Chakra rods before it even gets to Frog Song..He did start with BT against KCM Naruto..Or Maybe he breaks all of Jiraiya's bones with a casual ST..Unlike Jiraiya vs 3 paths of Pain, here Nagato is actually 6 in 1, hence more options
     
  5. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't him underestimating Jiraiya matter? Even with the 3 Paths, he didn't feel that Deva or Asura were worth using on Jiraiya at first.
     
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    One of the reasons Jiraiya managed to escape was the lack of Deva Path. How is Jiriaya shutting Nagato down here when he senses and has all the paths abilities?

    He could shut down Preta because he was a one trick pony, but Nagato is not.

    He has no chances against Nagato unless Nagato gets way too confident. And even then, sensing would allow him to track Jiraiya effectively.
     
  7. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    My point, with the knowledge being as it was in Pain vs Jiraiya, why wouldn't Nagato be overconfident? He would track Jiraiya, in fact the sounds are what allowed Pain to find Jiraiya, but would he still underestimate him as he's approaches Jiraiya?
     
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    Problem is escaping to that with BT available.
     
  9. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    How overconfident can Nagato? :hm
     
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    If Frog Song is able to land.. .
     
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    Frog Song GG.
     
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  12. Kai R I N N I N G Retired Staff

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    Nobody really has to read OP in terms of offering a difference in conditions.

    Jiraiya lost to Pain with this same knowledge. What on earth makes you think he can beat a prime Nagato with reputation knowledge?
     
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    And he was right, bar frog song the three paths are > SM Jiraiya as Nagato estimated.

    With this being Nagato instead of Pain, there needs to be a gross underestimation of Jiraiya going on in order to close the huge gap in power between them (Nagato and Jiraiya).
     
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    Jiraiya is stronger than those three Paths even without Frog Song :catshrug
     
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    Not according to Jiraiya.
     
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    Assuming they were 3 Rinnegan users, he felt sure of winning the fight when he said "as I thought, each of them only has one ability".
     
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    No he made the assessment when his Taijutsu and Ninjutsu were countered, he then surmised "I'd get killed at this rate" based on that. What he thought before doesn't change that.

    He still won using frog song: like he said before.
     
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    Which does not mean that all his strategies were ineffective, not only fight with brute force. When he realized that they only had one ability, he was sure of winning the fight.

    However, it was not necessary.
     
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    Jiraiya is saying he will get killed because his ninjutsu and taijutsu are useless.

    It was necessary because there was a build up for frog song for several pages as the jutsu that will end Pain and tht ended up happening, and there's no mention from Jiraiya nor the toads that "well we didn't need it, I knew they had one ability each after all".
     
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    And that's why he devised a strategy, which turned out perfectly ... that's why Frog Son was not necessary ... all that after he realized that they only had one skill.

    Frog Song was being prepared, while Jiraiya was carrying out his strategy ... which was in his favor, there was no sense in stopping Frog Song.
     
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    To be fair with you I'm gonna have to re-read the fight because the sequence of events might be messed up in my head.
    But the technique was portrayed as the key to defeating Pain, and there was no mention at all that it's importance or necessity decreased at all either during Jiraiya's planning nor after it was actually used.

    But again I'll need to read those chapters again.
     
  22. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya lost to Pain after using Genjutsu on the 3 Paths. Why wouldn't prime Nagato underestimate him the same way Pain did?

    So the question is, how much will Nagato underestimate Jiraiya.

    Jiraiya fans are still alive. Don't be a Hussain, read the manga: Jiraiya said based on how the battle was going he'd die. That's why he resorted to Genjutsu.
     
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    Yep, and the answer is: not enough to make a difference because Nagato >>>> those 3 paths.
     
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    The fight continued in that way? no, it was not like that ... then it does not change my point, Jiraiya defeated them and Frog Song was not necessary.
     
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    What the fuck...

    Nagato negs provided we are referencing any version of him thats not in a wheelchair...

    Jman is never getting away from him to even attempt frog song because of BT and sensing

    This fight ends in seconds
     
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    Nagato rapes.

    Stomp thread. BT + Fire Elemental Releases (Which Jiraiya purpotedly taught him) rapes Jiraiya.
     
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    Just saying, if Frog Song did land....
     
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    Jiraiya would get absolutely demolished in battle against Nagato. He literally stands no chance whatsoever, Frog Song will never land.
     
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    Nagato neg diff

    Jiraiya gets raped so hard Kishimoto has to move his Manga to the adult industry
     
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    Jiraiya dies even faster this time around
     
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