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Discussion in 'General Fanclubs' started by CrazyAries, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. CrazyAries Truth Hurts

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    I need to catch up, actually. We just had a bunch of elections this month already. September will be interesting.
     
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    Lots of good stuff on his site from skimming through a bit. He seems like he has a pretty damn good chance at taking out Cruz. I'll be rooting for him.
     
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    "We don't pick winners, we make them. That means taking risks. That means our endorsement is more than a quick press release and spigot for corporate cash. Our endorsement matters to grassroots candidates because it means that despite the corrupting influence of money in politics, despite every attempt by local machine politicians to shut them out, they have a chance to do something special."

    -Justice Democrats
     
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    plenty of victories have been had, progressives within the United States have outdone themselves on a large extent. keep the momentum going, and hold our governors and representatives accountable.

    even with the loses that have had, a lot of these progressives are going to still receive name recognition. it doesn't mean they are necessarily going to fade away. hopefully, as the country opens up to policies that help the majority of americans, they'll still have a place to try at the local level again. if not, i'm sure they will inspire other progressives to try their chances where we definitely have to support them when we are able to.

    the fact that universal healthcare, free college tuition, raising the minimum wage, and a relocation of the countries wealth is being acknowledged to a larger extent than it has been means something.
     
  6. CrazyAries Truth Hurts

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    I just saw this interesting thread on Twitter in which a user made parallels between the centrists in the U.S. and the U.K. (donuts and Blairites). Before I go further, here is a bit of context:

    “Donuts” are Democratic loyalists (especially Clinton loyalists). This is a type of slang on Twitter that arose because of an incident that happened on July 25, 2017. Then, Nina Turner and a bunch of protesters showed up to the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters in Washington, D.C., to present a petition (The People’s Platform) in response to the Democrats’ “A Better Deal.” The People’s Platform includes the following:
    • Medicare for All
    • Free College Tuition
    • The Raise the Wage Act for Worker’s RightsThe Automatic Voter Registration Act
    • The Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act of 2017
    • A Climate Change Bill for Renewable Energy
    • The Justice Is Not for Sale Act of 2017 (for Criminal Justice and Immigration Rights)
    • The Inclusive Prosperity Act (to Hold Wall Street Accountable)
    Instead of meeting with the protestors, the DNC had set up barricades to block them from the building. The staffers there also tried to offer the protesters donuts and water.



    From then on, certain Twitter users .

    Of course, the term Blairite is self-explanatory.

    Now, here’s the thread:









    I knew there were parallels between Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders, as well as lefties on both sides of the pound but I didn’t know about this.
     
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    A new piece from Bernie Sanders with comments by Yanis Varoufakis.
     
  8. GRIMMM Lanza del Relámpago

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    I've been drawing this parallel for a while now, especially amongst my political friends. It is pretty spot on to be honest. There are some other points too but it is summed up succinctly.

    The thing these people don't realise is that politics won't return to their idea of "normal" if either of these people go. Politics has changed drastically and won't return to the 80/90/00s. Delusion is strong with them, and weaponising identity politics only hurts the left, and themselves, pushing more towards the right. It's pretty moronic.
     
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    This dude (Peter Douche’s Liaison) uses hashtags like #GoFundMeForAll to poke fun of the Democrats, but the truth is no laughing matter. If you go to GoFundMe’s website, it even touts that many of its users set up accounts to pay medical bills.





    Yes, the American health care system is that twisted, that taxpaying citizens are asked to give more of their money to others to help them pay their medical bills. This is why we need Medicare for All.

    Recently Mike Figueredo (the host of The Humanist Report) interviewed Andrea Witte, who talked about how much it would cost to fund a universal health care system in the United States.



    While, yes, the costs would be shifted so that the government would be paying much more than it currently does, citizens themselves would be saving money. We already put money into health care (via emergency room visits), but more taxpayer money would be put into a universal health care system. We will even be able to save more down the line by offering preventative care.

    Ultimately, this is how we should pay for Medicare for All and save money doing it:
    • Ending corporate welfare and shifting that money to health care. (In 2015, the U.S. government paid $1.539 trillion in corporate welfare.)
    • Cutting the defense budget and shifting some of that money to health care.
    • Possibly raising taxes (but Americans would save by not paying for premiums).
    • Giving the government the ability to negotiate hospital bill prices (hospitals inflate the costs for health care, so they can give HMO’s a “discount”).
    • Giving the government the ability to negotiate drug prices.
    • Like I said above, offering preventative care.
    It’s not that hard to figure out.
     
  10. Santi Libera me From Hell Super Moderator

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    I’m feeling really iffy about Andrew Gillum in Florida all of a sudden.

    I wonder why.
     
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    DeSanris is preferable in what way exactly?
     
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    Hillary Clinton
     
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    Lock her up? :catskully
     
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    no, he has campaigned with her.
     
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    And if he had campaigned with Barack Obama instead, would that be a problem? This is what politicians do during campaigns.
     
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    The problem with Gillum campaigning with HRC deals with the fact that she has a lower approval rating than Drumpf. She lost Florida in 2016. Obama at least won the state in 2008. The decision to campaign with her means that Gillum is a careerist, but there are some rumblings that this is a sign that the Democrats actually want to lose that race. I don't know about that, but HRC is polarizing and an albatross around the Democratic Party's neck.
     
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    And in 2012 too.
     
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    I don't think you see the flaw on that part.
    Hillary Clinton lost Florida to Trump.
    Gillum is campaigned by Clinton.
    DeSantis is endorsed by Trump.

    It's a horrible combination.
     
  19. CrazyAries Truth Hurts

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    I forgot about that. I thought he lost that state. Maybe I was thinking about North Carolina.
     
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    Bernie also endorsed him for being against desantis and being the further most left in the race. He is obviously not as anti establishment as he wants to seem, but he's still better than desantis. Getting rid of GOP control in that state would be great. We'll take him to task if he wins and fully reveals himself as a corp dem who was just trying to get votes
     
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    Excellent strawman. Did you learn how to obfuscate from the Television?
     
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    It's about appealing to white independent voters. Florida is not California. It would be nice to elect a Democratic Socialist in Florida, but that's quite unlikely. Florida hasn't had a Democratic governor since Buddy McKay, and that was after his predecessor, Lawton Chiles, died in office. I actually wrote to Lawton Chiles when I was in school, and he was kind enough to write back, and I didn't even live in Florida. That was back in the early 90's. So, Florida has had a Republican governor for almost 20 years, and yet you guys prefer DeSantis because Gillum is not progressive enough. I like how you guys think. :tiredpepe
     
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    No one here prefers DeSantis. He's a Trump asslicker.

    The complaints about Gillum have to do with how he is walking back his comments on Medicare for All and schmoozing with some of the worst Democrats in the country.
     
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    What’s your point? What are you talking about and what does that have to do with me having concerns about a Democrat?
     
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    Fyi, I’m not a Democratic Socialist and neither is anyone running. Not even Bernie.

    They’re all Social Democrats.
     
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    No argument from me on that point either. I'm not really a Hillary fan, not in the least. Also, Gillum still has Medicare for All on his platform. If he backs off of it completely, it'll be disastrous for his governorship.
     
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    Let's wait until guillum actually wins. If he plays turncoat and officially tries to walkback his medicare for all views and other progressive stances, then we can call him out. But there's no one in the race who can fight desantis besides him, and at the very least he is open to being pushed if there is enough blowback, unlike the GOP.

    I also dont want to make it seem like im a "blue no matter who" guy, if there was a progressive in the race who was to the left of guillum, he would have gotten support, but even in the establishment democratic field who ran in florida against him, he was as left as there was.
     
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    i'd argue even most people in the democratic socialists of America organization, 80 to 90% are social dems who hopped on Bernie's labeling, and the actual minority of dem socialists are pragmatic enough to realize that their views and social democratic views intersect in regards to the end result
     
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    It really would be nice to actually have Green Party candidates with an actual shot of winning in the US, but people are so entrenched into the two-party system in the US that nothing ever really changes, and minority groups and poor people suffer the most because of it.
     
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    Also, the Florida gubernatorial debate itself highlights just how different the two candidates are.

     
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