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Raikage Magnet Style user vs living Minato

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Munboy Dracule O'Brian, Jul 13, 2018.

  1. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    If Minato needs to use Shikifuujin he loses.

    Raikage Magnet style user: Ay who has every magnet style feat and ability from the Naruto and Boruto series. He's also got the 3rd Raikage's Nuke.

    Who wins?
     
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    Minato get's raped.

    Magnet Release make's Kunai useless.
     
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    Minato still wins, magnet style won't completly replace someone of Bee's standing and Nukite doesn't stand anything as A4's original DC is more than enough to kill Minato in a single hit.
     
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    So this is the 4th Raikage with these abilities or is this suppose to be Darui with these abilities?
     
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    4th Raikage.
     
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    Won't kunai be irrelevant though?
     
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    A mere loss of chakra, neutralizing some Kunais is completly meaningless giving Minato can toss up Kunais and tag everythings, rocks, the gournd, etc, wherever and whenever he wants.
    As for the Kunais he uses in CQC, Raikage can't counter them as we could see in the flashback.
     
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    With the magnet style, won't can't the Raikage manipulate where they go i.e. limiting Hiraishin's mobility. Minato has to manually tag things which isn't as quick as littering the battlefield with kunai.

    In the flashback scenario, couldn't the magnet style be used to place it elsewhere?
     
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    Again, the Kunais on the ground only serves as a distraction or saving points, but as I explained before tagging all of them is meaningless as far as Minato can launch Kunais from close range to miles away on top of tagging trees, the ground, rocks, etc whenever he wants.
    But if the Raikage wants to just lose his chakra, then so be it.
     
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    With knowledge, wouldn't the first order of action be to make the kunai useless? Also IIRC Jiton doesn't drain so much chakra, especially to a Raikage who has Bijuu quantities of it.
     
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    I requote mu post :
    "Again, the Kunais on the ground only serves as a distraction or saving points, but as I explained before tagging all of them is meaningless as far as Minato can launch Kunais from close range to miles away on top of tagging trees, the ground, rocks, etc whenever he wants."

    A4 can only increase his chakra potency to Bijuu level when he is in V2 state, thus . It's not something he can keep for a prolonged amount of time, that's why he switched many times between base, V1 and V2 in the fight against Edo Madara.
    Furtheremore, he needs Jutsu of Satetsu Kaihou's level if he want to toss up the Kunais next to him, otherwise it's completly irrelevant
     
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    With the knowledge, the bold is meaningless because that tactic will be known. He still won't be able to get close without the kunai being limited due to Jiton. The kunai won't add value here.

    How did you conclude that Ay can't use V2 for a prolonged amount of time? The Madara fight was odd, you had some pages where it looked like he wasn't using it much or at all... if you rely on the hair c.t. how it was with Naruto and Sasuke. Though, if he couldn't sustain a big part of his fighting style that is something which would have been noted.

     
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    Minato never got close to his oponent using S/T Kunai already preped on the ground, either he uses Shunshin or some tactic (hidden Kunai, tag and so on) in order to make his assaults.
    And I stated they only serve as multiple saving points.

    It was pointed by Cee as he only understood why he kept this much chakra potency (V2 level) after seing that Sasuke would use MS to attack.
     
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    That's the point, with Jiton, nothing he uses kunai to achieve will work that includes hidden kunai. Shunshin isn't going to be effective on Ay who Minato canonically used Hiraishin to overwhelm.

    How do you get "he can't sustain it" from that? It looks more like that's when he gets serious, like Bee using V2.
     
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    The Kunais he holds in his hands and the ones used through subtile tactics can't be tagged, only the saving points S/T Kunais that's close enough would become useless.
    Other hidden tags all over the battlefied (tagged rocks, trees, ground, Kunais, etc) can't be neutralized since A can't possibly locate all of them nor can he touch those out of his range.
    That's why this strategy is completly useless, an idiotic loss of chakra, that's it.

    Cee was surprised why was he "keeping" this much chakra, meaning Raikage doesn't have the habit of using V2 cloak for a prologned amount of time.
     
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    What makes you say that then Chiyo pretty much stated that weapons like kunai would be useless against the 3rd Kazekage's power... something which was reinforced in Boruto during the Chunin exam vs Shinki. Putting all the info together, kunai against Jiton isn't something that will work. Subtle tactics would've been factored into the statements as they can include placing exploding kunai in strategic points.

    Tags without kunai, they can be placed...but on kunai, that's out of the game going by the nature of Jiton.

    Shinki/Third Kazekage/Sasori didn't need to actively decide which kunai would be useless, they'd just be useless. Minato has other options as you pointed out, manually tagging his location. But that doesn't have the same reach.

    Chakra exhaustion applies if we're talking about large volumes of chakra being wasted which isn't the case ITT.

    Re the area, I just recalled Rasa's abilities count as Jiton, would that make a difference? :hm

    No, the page you posted has C say that he understands why Ay ramped up his chakra. That panel only suggests that Ay doesn't tend to use the V2 cloak unless he intends to use his super fast Shunshin.
     
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    Because Chiyo doesn't have Minato's insane speed, reactions and can't teleport.

    Minato's foes never managed to force a clash with him outside of JJ, meaning Jiton is uselss before Minato's speed and skills since it simply can't tag him.

    Minato has insane amount of Kunais, he can launch them leeps and bounds away, he can launch at least 30+ Kunais at the same time and he can do the same thing with tagged rocks. Having saving points will never desappear and it's not a coincidence if there was always S/T Kunais despite the successive usage of Jutsu such as giant Juubi balls, Shinju tree, and so on.

    Meaning A doesn't have the habit to amp his chakra this much, meaning it has its own drawbacks.
     
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    I never said she did. I said what she told us about the Kazekage's Jiton.

    We've never seen Minato fight super powerful foes except Tobi (who could've won with slightly tweeted circumstances) and Ay... and then a JJ. We've never seen him face a Jiton user like the one ITT that nullifies his use of kunai.

    The kunai are meaningless when they can't even land due to the Jiton magnetic force. I don't see why you keep saying tagging rocks with his seals, where have I contested that?

    It does't mean that. It just means he doesn't amp up his chakra unless he plans to use his super Shunshin which going by context is when he gets serious.
     
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    Never stated otherwise as well.

    We saw him against Tobi, A&B and no one managed to touch the Kunai in his hands. That's more than enough as proof that he Kunai in his hands nor himself will be never ever tagged unless the ennemy is something above High Kage and more so.

    The Kunais and tags are useful as saving points, meaning Minato can always dodge any assault by teleporting to their position everytime he is in a dare situation and as I said before Jiton is useless since it can't locate and neutralize all of them all over the battlefield.

    Difference in opinion I guess.
     
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    We never saw him with a foe who specifically prevented him from littering kunai. In the BD we'd place him against foes unlike the ones he's faced like those who use the Rinnegan or PS.

    From the way it was made out Jiton makes all kunai useless in the battlefield. If Minato's in the battlefield, those kunai are useless. Unless he plans to escape else where but leaving the battlefield under BD rules is a loss.
     
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    Nearly no one has the speed, judgement and reaction to prevent someone like Minato from throwing Kunais and their range as well as the potential tags can never be dissmissed.

    Agreed, but the scope, the power and speed of those are on a complete another realm, so let's not compare it to the trash level third Kazekge's Jiton.

    As I said is impossible, even with third Kazekage's Jiton, A doesn't have the range nor can he find all Kunai and other tagged material, so as I explained in the last 3/4 post, it's a complete idiotic and useless tactic, nothing more than a loss of chakra and energy on top of creating openings for Minato whilst trying to destroy all tags, something which he can't achieve no matter how hard he tries.
     
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    No, you're just basing it off the foes we saw living Minato face. The same thing Itachi fans do when they compare MS Sasuke and MS Itachi while forgetting Sasuke had stronger opponents compared to Itachi. You're assuming the foes with the limited set of abilities Minato faced would give us an accurate description of how he'll do in all scenarios.

    The Raikage has shown he figured FTG which resulted in Minato going to the seal on Bee and that Minato cannot react to him in battle without FTG. ITT he'll know about all of those methods. Potential tags can be dismissed if you want to consider the Kazekage feats with Jiton.

    That's a cope out on your part. The Kazekage's Jiton still negates kunai and shuriken. And if we've all Jiton to Ay, we scale it up to what Ay could do. Basically with this line, you're trying to avoid thinking about how other unique abilities would influence Minato's battle style.

    You keep saying it is impossible without any adequate reason. Kunai are useless, there's no way around that; it was established in Naruto and even in Boruto. That's not a debate, that's a fact. They have no place ITT.

    Tagged material are relevant, but they become almost irrelevant when you consider the 3rd and 4th Kazekage abilities to manipulate iron/gold sand with Jiton.

    Chakra is relevant when we talk about characters with little chakra. Ay is not a character with small amounts of chakra, so your point about wasting chakra is irrelevant. Especially when fighting Minato is simple: limit his mobility by using Jiton to make his kunai useless and use the iron/gold sand to make the rest useless. Minato is forced to tag pieces of iron/gold sand which isn't ideal as it can be shifted.

    If Minato tags a rock and that rock is completely destroyed, then that's it the tag on that rock is gone. Just like when Obito got a new body after being a Jinchuriki, Minato's tag was gone. Exactly the same reason why Minato didn't warp towards Bee after tagging his tentacle... when that chakra got dispersed so did his tag.

    It appears Minato needs to use more of his arsenal instead of wasting time on relying on Hiraishin as it isn't going to work.
     
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    With every single Jiton feat A should win more times then not. Jiton means he can limit Minato’s use of Hirashin and Minato has to dodge all of A’s attacks otherwise he'll become magnetize to where all of A’s attacks will always be attracted to Minato and follow him until he’s hit. Now add in Satetsu and Gold dust along with his speed and tough body and Minato is going down after a while
     
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    Would the fact Minato walks on the Gold Dust magnetise him? If we go by what happened with Shiki in Boruto. :hmm
     
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    No clue, I don’t watch or read the Boruto manga/anime
     
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